Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT

We organise simple defence fleets to react in less than two to three minutes, we organise more complex major fleet battles in 20 to 30 minutes, this is capitals, and stuff, scouts and so on. You are telling me that organizing a gank fleet requires twenty five minutes. Sorry mate, but you are wrong, they built a huge comfort margin into that.

PS My spy accounts alt is still in Miniluv so technically speaking you are talking to someone in Miniluv…

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Ive read their analysis.

It presumes they would operate at their current inefficient rate.
Its a also a political document, and rife with bias, as submitted by an agency with obvious vested interest.

15mins matches current timers related to aggression, and is plenty of time to deploy a well-positioned/doctrined fleet to engage bumped targets.

The time taken to “ping” players to get off their asses is their own problem.

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Yes, dear leaders, you are full of wisdom and knowledge!

We all bow to your superior understanding of everything and of course we accept that you two are completely right and that you should be the ones deciding how much time other people need.

We should get CCP to promote you two to developers.

Or, maybe, everyone in this thread. Except me, because I rather not have that kind of power.

Man, this ■■■■ is hard work. How do people keep up with writing nonsense all day?

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Sarcasm lowest level of wit :stuck_out_tongue:

You do have your moments :slight_smile:

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Ad hominem and sarcasm when you cant address the issue.

All I know is my Alliance takes an hour to form for fleets. We must be so ■■■■■■■ lazy it’s a surprise to me now that our hearts even remember to beat.

Same when we form for Spectre fleet.

I don’t even know how I bother to press F1 anymore.

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Ha!

The FULL quote is:

“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit… but the highest form of intelligence.” - Oscar Wilde

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That’s pretty crap.

Maybe you should pre-schedule them so you dont have to wait for people to have dinner, have a smoke, wash dishes and take a poop before they bother to react to a ping.

Well a gank fleet is akin to a rapid response fleet as they have the alts in station ready with a full hanger of ships, they know what they are going to gank, as they ship scanned it. If you want to tell me that this is the same as a major fleet fight then I gotta say no.

Hisec is for casual players and 25 minutes for that is casual…

That’s ok, we at least login.

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You should gift him a whip and chains.

Thats fine.

If it takes an hour to herd all your players together, well then it takes you an hour.
I think that is way too long.
But if thats what it takes you, then thats your situation.

Ganking isnt simple

Ganking requires math, time to fly there, waiting on criminal timer. Bit more complex then the log in all the caps and ships we have cos we have a titan tackled

Yeah because miniluv literally has no1 logged in except bumpers most of the time

You were literally saying like 2 days ago that it should be 3 minutes, you know literally nothing about something you constantly cry about changing

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Can you not deploy a gank fleet within 15 mins, so as to engage a target being currently bumped?

If I have to login all my accounts and jump 8 gates, prolly not

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Then maybe you should log them in before the suicide ganking operation, and deploy them closer to the area it is operating in.

99% of the time I am logged in already and can get to a target in 15 minutes, we were talking about not being logged in. miniluv cant tho, and how they function its not really going to be that quick

What happend to the 3 minutes? You were literally crying about how we were bad for not being able to land a gank fleet in under 3 minutes

Hmm where to start on that, you have the ship details, his fit, which is pretty easy, you havethe spreadsheets with the combination of ships required, Talos, catalysts or SB’s. they are quick to hand out of pull from corp hangers. You don’t have to work on more intel apart from whether AG has people there to rep or people to jam, so you build in fat for that. Not exactly difficult.

Enemy fleet composition is a key component of nullsec fleet organisation, you do not have that complexity, all you have to do is work out the excess to deal with any interference.

And this is the most telling part, you are ping warriors, most probably need that time to finish a site in your supers, get them docked and then log in. I find that the biggest reason of all why it should be lower than 25 minutes. As I said this is building in a margin for that and bluntly that is what I am taking a pot shot at with my 10 minutes.

Fine.

Then 15mins is fine in 99% of instances.

15 minutes without a point and they catch warp is fine with me. You 2 days ago were saying 3, but who cares about consitency in your spewing of garbage all over the forums

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