If he wasn’t afk then why wasn’t he in warp when the gankers landed, I get a substantial number of miners that do just that as i land and guess what they don’t get ganked. if he got ganked then he screwed up.
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See, I know you’re arguing in bad faith and I know you’ve been told multiple strategies by multiple people in this thread but its so hard to not educate you in your chosen ignorance.
- If a miner is solo, you need to accept the risks of being solo. The lone gazelle is easier to kill then the herd.
- A miner relies on their fit, and all of the in-game/out of game tools they can use to gather intel and make informed decisions. Most miners do not make use of this.
- A miner has several options for defense. Most don’t use them.
- It is PvP.
She doesn’t understand. Hell if there are 5-6 skiffs, if they all fielded combat drones and were tanked to the gills, they potentially could win. But that would require them actually playing the game.
If they are solo, they need to accept the risk that brings. No one should expect that 1 ship vs 12 should ever win LOL.
They are so, so many out there who can’t fit their ships and mine AFK all the time. Tell me, how much time have you actually spent in Halaima and the surrounding areas?
It doesn’t fit her narrative so she will not cede the point.
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You’ve obviously never mined. ‘Align to’ simply takes you further from the asteroid ( which means the mining drones take longer to arrive back ) and never truly aligns anyway…or at least not within range of the asteroid. So it’s a complete myth that miners can just hit warp and go zooming off in 0.1 seconds.
As for people showing up…I get loads of people show up in all manner of heavy duty ships. I had such an incident earlier today. Nothing happened. If I ran off every time a Catalyst or some other combat ship showed up I’d never get any mining done !
Gankers are so full of comically simplistic answers. Every miner is ‘AFK’. Every miner fails to tank. People aren’t keeping an eye on Local…yada yada. Or we have Gix trying to persuade that zKillboard…which shows no end of miners tanked up… doesn’t reflect some anecdotal reality he claims to have seen.
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The true sense of the word (or acronym) is simply Player-v-Player.
So if the gankers are players and the targets are also players, then it’s PvP in the true sense of it’s meaning.
There’s nothing about PvP that requires it to be a fight. A market scam for example isn’t a fight, but it’s still a form of PvP. ISK doubling isn’t a fight, yet it’s still a form of PvP.
Combat based PvP doesn’t require that all participants can shoot.
Most of the PvP tools available to miners for example don’t actually involve getting close enough for them to be shot at in the first place, but it’s still part of the PvP nature of the game and very much part of the way they can fight, in a general sense.
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It is def not impossible. Simply set up a safe on each side, align and slowboat and then switch. JFC. Its like you can’t even play the game in its most basic way. You know what’s worse than mining drones taking a little longer to come back? Losing your whole ship.
Zkill backs me up too. Just check Aaaarrgg’s kill feed. It isn’t that its simplistic. There are valid tactics and strategies that they are not using, hence why they die. Again, nothing is 100% but they could avoid much ganking by simply playing the game.
What part of the miner having to rely on Concord to defeat the gankers means it is not PvP don’t you understand ? Rattling on about how the miner should be more tanked up, alert, etc, does not change any of that one iota…it is just a diversion.
The battle is not simply gankers vs miner…it is gankers vs the timer on an NPC police force. The entire ganker equation rests around NPC actions. To compare this to proper PvP, where it is entirely player vs player with no NPC intervention, is a complete and utter joke.
By no stretch of the imagination can any Eve interaction where there’s direct NPC involvement and those NPC are even planned into the action be called PvP.
At best it occupies some category in between PvE and PvP.
lol proper pvp 
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Miner’s don’t have to rely on CONCORD to defeat the gankers.
If they take responsibility for the their own safety, they’ll have already won the pvp encounter before CONCORD even needs to get involved.
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Yeah…right…so getting wiped out by a bunch of NPC police is PvP now…lol.
CONCORD killing a criminal is EvP, resulting from PvP.
It’s also good for highsec, to relate back to the topic of the thread.
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They don’t tho. They could easily have other peeps in combat fit ships. They could use all the tactics we’ve outlined.
So you’re saying if I target someone who is ratting in low, it isn’t PvP? Make it make sense. So in other words you only regard PvP as arena type combat. Sorry but all is PvP regardless of your feelings LOL.
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The policy refers to “griefing”, and ganking is not griefing. I gank in rookie systems, I’ve killed players under 30 days in rookie systems. As long as I’m not manipulating new players, I’m playing the game as intended.
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Oh…goal posts moved yet again. Given that there is no Concord in lowsec, how could I possibly have been talking about that ?
But nice try at a Cathy Newman style ’ so you’re saying…’ fallacy.
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That’s post hoc nonsense. Concord don’t just ‘happen’ to turn up on a passing whim because they aren’t having their tea break. Their very existence and response time is factored in by gankers BEFORE they even do a gank. The very ships that gankers use are low cost and contain little ammo and shielding precisely BECAUSE Concord are going to show up.
So the NPCs of Concord are an unavoidable factor for suicide gankers and part of the equation before they even set off. It’s absolute rubbish to suggest that Concord are merely an extraneous bunch who turn up ‘after’ the alleged PvP. The very fact that gankers adjust their ships and tactics for Concord response times proves that.
Yeah that’s ok. No one is saying that’s how it works.
That’s the type of statement that would normally come from Ridley/Renley. Is it Ridley/Renley/Cilla now?
Of course. The environment (CONCORD) destroys the ship of any criminal (player) who is in a ship in space.
Hence EvP.
The criminal has no way to avoid the loss; and it is triggered as a result of an initial PvP engagement in highsec, or jumping into highsec as a criminal from lowsec.
It shouldn’t be a difficult concept to understand.
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Sigh. I feel like Drac should be cited for using that phrase falsely cause now you’ve picked up on it and are using it wrongly too.
It is not moving goal posts. You said any PvP involving PvE wasn’t PvP. It was a valid question. Just because you painted yourself into a hole doesn’t mean its moving goal posts ROFL.
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Forget it.
They bring up something, and when you prove its wrong or they dont understand it, they say its irrelevent and off topic.
They are unable to own their mistakes, and they transfer that onto the situation of ganker vs anyone else and claim its never the fault of someone being negligent that they lost their ship.
Know what I think? No ship payouts on losses while afk for more than 10 minutes.
Also, they said theyve never been ganked.
So theres at least three people strutting around atm saying that ganking is both simultaneously too hard on new players and so easy to avoid its boring and people somehow dont see that as a total red light to how insipidly false their position is.
Also who the f is Cathy Neuman?
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Cathy Newman, someone who passes for a journalist in this day and age, flags up some political show on Channel 4. As a Brit you surprise me by not knowing, but as you spend all your time here, that would explain it.
She decided to interview Jordan Peterson, and she coined the sentence what you are saying is… and then went and defined what she was saying as a strawman and utterly incorrect, to which Jordan Peterson replied several times that is not what I said, and explained calmly and in detail what he said to be met again with the same misquotes.
It is an absolute train wreck of an interview by her, which showed the vapid state of journalism in the West.
I have actually been ganked once now, which I admitted after it happened, but it was on my third string character and was an Assault Frigate, I then baited them with Dracvlad and made them lose their ships for nothing.
It is easy for experienced players with two accounts and plenty of time like me to avoid, did you notice the caveats there? I expect not. If you are going to do a Cathy Newman on me, get better at it.
PS the fake I did not read your post post, sad…
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Sounds like ganking needs a buff, it’s just too easy to avoid.
As I keep pointing out the balance is almost there, just need a BS MWD on freighters as a fitting option, maybe the ability to fit an armour tank. So AG have something decent to rep. Another adjustment is to deal with loot scooping through a DST.
But most of all make it so -10’s can’t dock in NPC stations in hisec so the butterfly effect can be applied to them in terms of their structures.
Then the balance is there.