Excellent meta in mine and I hope everyone sticks to it. The more people do it the better things will be because either things will get so bad that CCP will take drastic changes instead of leaving shiht broken or all those sort of people will just leave and we won’t have these sort of issues. Either way the problem will be fixed.
Let’s focus on the fact that there is salvation for all, through faith in James.
You can exclamation mark it all you like, but the total numbers aren’t all that different (only 2000 total structures across all regions of space more destroyed this year compared to last year. That’s only 5 more structures per day on average, across the whole of the cluster, not just highsec).
To take 'a simple perusal of the killboard’ and be able to spot a difference for all structure destruction in highsec isn’t believable.
Additionally, the increase in Upwell structure destruction in 2018 in highsec, has been offset by a reduced destruction of POSs and POCOs in highsec, so total structures being destroyed requires more than a simple look (which is why I’m asking for the data you have analysed, rather than just what you feel. What you feel means nothing, just as what I feel means nothing).
Looking at highsec alone for example:
| Structure | 2017 | 2018 |
|---|---|---|
| POCO | 2883 | 2493 |
| Tower | 815 | 662 |
Obviously 2018 isn’t over yet, but the numbers for 2018 for non-Upwell structures won’t reach the 2017 numbers and that’s why a simple perusal is misleading, and certainly over a longer period there’s been no increase (and destruction is lower this year in highsec than 2016 for example, and there are more structure types now than there were back then).
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So now you admit there is an increase, good we are getting there.
I make no assumption on your abilities, do not make any on mine, getting a feel for such things is pretty easy for me, perhaps not for you. I do happen to think however that you are a pretty smart guy.
Now you are admitting again that I was right. POS’s because they are unimportant and don’t really give anything, and POCO’s are well dependent on having people doing PI…
That is an opinion again, I repeat, I was looking at specific structure types on a monthly basis for the past two years, just gong through and getting a feel for abstract numbers, I told you it was a feeling based on that, a feeling which turns out to be correct.
I am talking about Upwell structures because that is what is important in terms of this subject, POCO’s less so and POS’s are irrelevant now. I am not sure what you are arguing about except that I did a fairly abstract count and was able to pick up the trend and you say that I can’t, well if you say so.
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So his first post with data did not detail 2018 at all, you failed to notice that.
So he then does a graph with 2016, 2017 and 2018 with an incorrect trend line a:[/quote]
I only commented on the graph!!! You BOTH are mistaken in your interpretation of the graph!!!. I never said any thing else any where. I did read the rest but it isn’t important to include to point out you’re both wrong. This is why I don’t need and use walls of text like you do.
And now I go back into ignore-the-idiot-mode again. Bye.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, nevertheless I am entertained.
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When you say that people are wrong you explain why people are wrong, if you do not you are a light weight and superficial, and your statements are full of hot air, people like you resort to insults because that is all you have.
So calling me an idiot is something that I will take as a total compliment, because when someone I have defined as having nothing to say and uses insulting barbs calls me an idiot, that is a win in my book, thank you and good day to you.
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Dracvlad, you are wrong because you don’t have a permit.
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I was looking at specific structure types on a monthly basis for the past two years
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Then your broad statement is wrong.
The only thing we have here in the forum is the words we actually write, and if you don’t want them to be taken as what’s written, then write what you actually mean.
You began with a very broad statement that you hadn’t even looked at all the data to confirm:
Since then, you’ve been narrowing it down to something much more focused.
The more focused statement is fine (that compared to 2017, there has been a significant increase in the destruction of Astrahus and Raitaru in highsec during 2018) and useful, but we see these broad, ■■■■■■■■ backed generalisations in the forum all the time, where feelings rather than good analysis are thought to be more important.
The discussion began in response to a specific question asking whether POCOs are a significant driver of conflict in highsec.
Perhaps if you didn’t think they were important, then generalising a state that that includes them is posdibky pretty stupid.
I was not clear that I was only talking about Citadels and Engineering Complexes true, so sorry about that. I also missed that you were only focussed on POCO’s due to a question, I was thinking of the structures in the context of the OP’s thread…
Refineries are not indicative of hisec as a whole as they only exist in 0.5 systems, POS’s are defunct and it seemed totally logical to ignore them if ones looks at 2018.
That I left it open to include POCO’s was my mistake, but the POCO situation is pretty stable, I was focussed on what really matters in terms of hisec conflict at the current state of play, so Citadels and most important of all Engineering Complexes, though I should include the Refineries due to their bonus for refining, but it was not necessary to analyse them for my purpose.
Do you think it is worthwhile analysing POS’s which are defunct to get a feel for conflict in hisec in 2018? I don’t.
Depends who is doing it. I have confidence in my own abilities at doing this, did it in RL too.
Yes it was stupid of me not to exclude them, from now on I will use ‘Upwell Structures’ rather than structures to make it clearer. However as they (POCO’s) are defacto controlled by the major war deckers and certain key clients I thought people would assume that their impact as content drivers were limited in terms of the war deckers pushing into turning hisec into renter space.
We were talking at cross purposes and I was not clear on my first statement, I rashly assumed that people would ignore POS’s and POCO’s for the reasons I stated above and for that I apologise.
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Do not talk to any CODE representative…they will bait you into thinking they are nice and will then gank you and your structures until you join them.
Code does roaming have about 10 systems after that there they won’t go into losec or ns I haven’t seen code in so long I think they basically closed up shop
that is a mistake
always talk to code
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We are nice. You should always feel free to stop and have a chat with your local public safety officers. The reason we focus within a ten system zone, is because 90% of the populace lives near Jita and 90% of the traffic flows through Uedama and Niarja. Naturally, most of the crime takes place there. Unfortunately, although we do control low and null sec, our hard-working officers have little vacation time.
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Banding hisec players together has been tried over and over, and unfortunately it has never worked. Endemic problems:
-Some people don’t have voice comms, and aren’t willing to get in comms.
-No FC.
-Democracy, so bosses, thus no decision makers. All time spent chatting about what to do, no time actually in a fleet doing something.
-People wander in and out of the group. The coordinator guys end up continually giving some new guy an orientation. A guy who may never show up again.
-No internal communication channel. Enemy spais read everything that’s said in chat. You can create an invitation-only chat room. But if you’re going to have members-only chat and exclude people, you might as well just start a corp.
A group like that has about every disadvantage possible against an organized corp or alliance.
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Pretty accurate and fair points.
Give them specific roles.
That one is sorted sort of.
Depends on the structure, of course you will have people want to do their own thing, but they are not core members. It is the core group that you create out of the disparate members that is key.
Possible to manage it, but a pain.
Sounds like the assumption we make in nullsec that the other side have spies anyway, why is this different?
Because there are reasons to have people outside of the war dec, it works for both sides actually…
You have to have good leadership and that is key, a very good example in nullsec is Tri who are very dependent on a guy who goes on deployment every so often and when he does the alliance goes to sleep.
And finally it is fun to give it a go. If you want to sit there and take no risks then you don’t give it a go.
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my connection doesnt allow me do play eve and do other things at once in my country, most of the time im even lucky i can still play eve but had to quit a lot of the activities i did in the states.
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no fc because other people think they can do it better most of the time
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i run a help channel that does fleets, we all want to do fleets so democracy isnt a problem, the problem is no one wants to leave their little section and travel nor do they want to centralize somewhere, so the most people in a fleet are gennerally 2 out of 200-300 people at peak times
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our fleets arent hard most of the time to worry about that, but some things even simpletons dont even understand.
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All your statements are wrong.
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And lest not forget that many people have a big reason to play alone: language.
One thing is to read stuff at your own pace and another do it on the fly in a running chat, or just understand spoken words/commands.
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Look closer.Hydra reloaded joined CODE.