I understand that. I also had to let people go even though they did want to work and were eager but weren’t skilled enough for what was needed to complete the job. But I also had people who didn’t want to make an effort and were lazy.
I don’t have your experience. I haven’t met any EVE players yet who wanted to play well but didn’t want to learn. Maybe when I do meet some I will feel the same way.
I’m a bit late on the feed but I share a determination to support new players. It’s more than giving knowledge, its support. Most Corps encourage training new players, but there needs to be a culture of learning. That means taking the time to stand in their shoes, doing missions together, asking advice and not just giving it.
I suggest creating a guild of new player corps that are specifically committed to this cause. Then helping new players find these corps, if they are willing. It’s not just holding their hands. It’s about protecting people till they understand their choices. It’s about empowering people to make choices. Building a group from scratch has its positives. One of those is it promotes loyalties.
Respectfully,
Roy
Yeah, doing it is the key. The players need to take responsibility for their future wingmen. All that “CCP should do this, CCP should do that” is in vain. The best you can do t “ensure that our newbros are being well educated” is by just doing that.
Create a corporation, dedicate your time to create a good training concept, write simply starter guides for the different activities, go undock with them and show them mechanics and tricks live on the server or stream it to them via Discord. Have them participate in fleets where every step is explained, give them the opportunity to test all that stuff and ideally enable them to even make good money with it to afford all the new stuff they unlock from getting more and more skills done.
And yes, from 10 people you educate, like 7 or 8 will be a wasted effort. They will simply log off and never come back at some point or you will realize that they simply don’t want to learn. But 2 or 3 will stay. And maybe one of them will become the next great FC, CEO or mentor himself. Go for it!
“somebody else do something”.
I never ran into any of those either. I said
Thats the majority of players these days and why I still give billons of isk to those who stand even a chance at the game.
My bad. I should have read that more carefully.
I think there are ways to be so good that for certain people it all comes like second nature after a while. I’m willing to put the effort needed to be able to do what I want to do, which is P.I, Manufacturing on a limited basis, Exploration and the missions.
I’ve just started though and am still doing career agents. With three days a week available to play, I’m taking all my time learning and planning.
For those willing to try, yes.
Pretty much what I ended up doing.
You got isk for at least trying. As I said, most don’t…
You both sound like a self-aid group for the higly depressive…
this game is gloriously great and exciting if a player is able to throw away all that fear of losing pixel ships. Really: leave highsec. Playing EVE in HS is pure waste of time, there are tons of single player games out there offering much more return and eating much less time if one just wants “to so some stuff solo and being left alone”.
In my Corp/Alliance there is action every day. Newbros being guided and getting rich on the way because Veterans show them how to access the higher-tier content, carrying them in the beginning while they skill the tools to do it on their own (and carry the next newbros…). A culture of “everything goes” and very little restrictions (basically just common-sense ones that protect the whole group project). Don’t be stupid. The best thing ever a new player has to learn is to find a group. This game horribly sucks when played solo in “safety”.
And this is the reason why all that “we need more safe areas for newbros” is pure and utter nonsense. We don’t need that because we don’t want newbros to die from boredom. I know Newbros that learned how to mine in dangerous areas and after a few months into the game they were self-made billionaires that couldn’t care less to lose 5 barges a week, because those barges returned them billions worth of ore while they were out in space.
Newbros need to be taught to embrace losses, dive into dangerous adventures and actually meet people who are crazy good at what they are doing. Hint: you rarely meet those people in HS. What you meet there are bittervets, telling you how careful you should be, how afraid you should be at every corner and how dangerous every step is. Like they want you to become a bittervet before you have even experienced the greatness of the universe that is open for you. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM.
I truly appreciate your help, MB. Rest assured that your funds will not go to waste.
Eve University has been doing this since 2004. Now here is the kicker for you. For every 10 players that Join. I have not seen the numbers myself as to how many stay or leave. Checking with EveWho it only gives raw numbers. Not who stopped playing or when.
I know there has been an uptick in membership lately as I have ran into people on discord that were not there even last week. I myself will be leaving shortly having spent a year and some there. But that is what the Corp expects.
It is a place to learn and grow and then go out and get “real world experience” or rather “real cluster experience” in New Eden. Anyways Eve University is not the only teaching focused Corp either. Eve University is just the oldest teaching corporation.
I will suggest to you what I have suggested to others. Go out and create it yourself. Nothing to stop you. Nothing says you can not do it.
Worth repeating.
Sending rookie pilots to Eve Uni is the best way to get rookies the best training.
Not enough of the people that still play this game are the type to help get new people set up. The playerbase this game creates is not a playerbase that helps new people for the most part.
Actually not really true. In my year and half I have had a lot of help when I have asked. Yes, some outside of Eve Uni were not willing to be all that helpful. In the main though, I have found that by being polite and approaching a player with a genuine question. That it was answered with the best of that players knowledge.
But that has been my experience.
Thats a good way to approach players. But most new players, from my experience anyway piss and moan 1st, hence they don’t get any advice. A good attituded will get you far with older players in this game. I’ll pay them for their loss if they calm down and chat and even pay more if they listen and learn something. The few who asked how I got them got extra attn and isk.
the thing with helping new players is, that you have to invest time.
and time is limited. if you are a older player and not only stationtrading, you have got stuff to do ingame. and not everyone is willing to spend their precious time on explaining the game to rookies.
but my experience is, if you send an ingame mail, most people will respond. because they can do it, when they have time for it.
imho it is not true, what you are saying
This is why I charge new players for my valuable time.
And BECAUSE it is limited you have to be careful to whom your give your time to, it’s a zero sum game.
I can choose to give my time to someone who seems not really that driven to learn, doesn’t listen too well or just doesn’t grasp basic things. OR I can give that time to someone who WANTS to learn, is eager to ask questions and figure things out.
One of those is not only more efficient with my time and efforts, it’s also more enjoyable to do.
Answering a question is just a matter of a few minutes. At the same time I am not talking about taking a player by hand and individually explaining and teaching the game to someone. That is what Eve University and other such corporations are for. If I am in a system, either docked up or mining. Someone messages me about fill in the blank. If I have a some knowledge of it. I can only offer what I have only a limited knowledge on wirth that proviso added.
Especially if the player in question is being polite and courteous. I find that is true more time than not. Such conversations can lead to exchange of idea and making a contact that might be useful later. You never know. We might end up in the same corp at some point.
You talk about limited time and how to use it. I can not think of a better way to use a few minutes. Than to answer a question that could lead to a making an acquaintance of someone. That might be in a position down the road to help me or someone else. But that is why I do not charge for my time and never will.
Yes we may face each other in the cold expanse of space across a small deadly space and try to blow each other out of the sky. At the same time. That player and I can chat about the fight and laugh at each other mistakes. But that is me.
If I may just add, and thank you for the different positions, we all have different values and they’re all important. Mine is to focus on newbies and that’s what I enjoy. It is a sandbox, and we all hear that, and my supportive approach creates its own waves throughout the great expanse. Thats just who I am. I am a viglianti. I protect the weak. No payment required.