How is this PI profitable?

I’ve been making P2 for awhile, selling it to my corp at full est value. It’s a good cashflow.

I decided to try making P3 so I setup a planet to make Cryoprotectant Solution.

The ingredients are 10x each Fertilizer, Test Cultures, and Synthetic Oil (all of which I can manufacture). That will produce 3 units of Cryo per cycle.

I noticed the total value of all three ingredients is 376,500 isk (i.e. presuming I sell the ingredients instead of using them for P3) (before sales tax and fees).
The value of 3 units of Cryo is 473,400.
(all based on Jita best Buyer price)

That would be a profit on the Cryo over the ingredients of 96,900 isk or about 25%.

While 25% isn’t a shabby profit, it also really isn’t a killing in the market.

So how is it that P3 is considered sooooooooooooo much more porfitable over P2?

What am I missing?

I would estimate that most people take the hauling effort into account and P3 should be a lot better value/m³ that you have to bring to the market hubs. Not everyone sells directly to his corp in the PI system.

Cryoprotectant Solution is actually useful in Industry via Blueprints. It is used in every BPC of low, mid, and high grade fancy implant sets. In addition to making next tier PI. That drives up demand for it.

Fertilizer, Test Cultures, and Synthetic Oil are almost* never used in blueprint industry. Only to make next tier PI. So not as much to drive demand.

*There might be 1 tiny exception.

(If I remember right, a year or so ago I started producing those implant BPCs and setting up the Cryoprotectant PI chain I think helped eliminate a lot of ISK capital involved, but it was definitely a limiting factor. I stopped producing them because I didn’t want to scale up the PI chain and I didn’t want to buy Cryo off the market with how expensive it is)

That’s what I would do - Haul it to Jita for sale.

My point was that I would only get 97k isk profit over materials for selling the P3 (in Jita).

Is that what EVE considers a good profit? :thinking:

Since you haven’t accounted for taxes involved, you’re not going to make 97k isk profit.


If we’re talking RW style, yes that would be Profit-Before-Taxes. :sunglasses:

NTL, my point/question is:

Is it more isk to make the P3 and sell in Jita?
Or to just make the P2?

If you sell millions of it, yes of course that can be a good profit. What do you expect? That making P3 out of P2 doubles the value? Did you know that most real life companies make good profits on products that only give them a net profit of a few dollars or even cents per unit?


Of course.

But it’s also a truism (or falsism depending on your POV) the saying “I’ll loose money on each unit but make it up in bulk”. No, all you do is loose money in bulk.

You already answered this:

The answer you came up with is “yes” and “yes”.

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Don’t sell in Jita if you think the profit margins are to low.

I mean one guy already answered it, you are not only making 25% more it is way easier to haul that ■■■■ to Jita and sell it. If you would rather do the easier thing and sell the p2 to your corp then do that, 25% margins are actually a lot in this game.

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I think you’re asking the wrong questions here.

What you’re asking is if 125 is more than 100, which of course it is. It’s 25% more. Additional profit is just that, additional profit. What you should be asking is whether or not it’s worth the extra manufacturing setup, and to that, the only real response is for you to crunch the numbers. Can you make enough P3 with the facilities required to outweigh the loss of P2 you could be making using those Command Center resources?

The other thing no one talked about specifically is time. The volume of the P3 is smaller, but if you’re selling to corp and not hauling, then its just a simple matter of what you can make more of using the limited number of CPU/PG you can access. However, if you’re going to haul it to Jita yourself, the volume the products take up will largely affect the time needed to move it. PI, as we all know, is a very passive income stream. The income you can gain while waiting for production can be greatly reduced if you’re spending more time moving PI commodities than necessary. You can spend hours moving products when you could spend minutes moving smaller volume products and spend the rest of the time ratting, exploring, etc.

PI seems very simple on the surface, but calculating a big profit, you must take into account what you’re doing with the time that you’re not in PI Clicker.


Good points!

25% profit on PI factory stuff is great. I have done that many times, billions over a few months. You buy two ingredients and make a product that sells for 25% more than it cost you to buy the first two ingredients.

I have quit doing PI simply because of the massive clicking involved and the utterly idiotic management of it. If I want to change production, i have to click 983 times. Done with it.

0-1% Tax on PI. :drooling_face: :drooling_face: :drooling_face:

I can absolutely guarantee you the dopamine rush is still there when I export 180mil of PI for like 600k ISK.

Hauling effort? /me squints eyes and points at “Courier Contract” and “Haulers Channel”. What hauling effort? You mean the cost of hauling to hub? 2% or so, at least when moving from my area to Jita.

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Why people talk about hauling effort?

Frankly any comparison of profits needs to be done against lazy PI extraction in lowsec - which uses almost no time to do.

Making P2/P3/P4 requires relatively frequent flying to POCOs. And splitting inputs (which also consumes time). This is time that could be spent making isk.

P3 PI can easily be hauled in a cargo expanded crane + 1 cargo rig. I don’t let my P3 PI collect to over 200mil anyways.

I am a casual PI guy but P3 PI can still be hauled in a crane if you are doing serious PI. Thanks to how CCP made PI smaller by 50%

I guess if you are going PI across 2-3 accounts things get real annoying. I got everything all set up and it only takes me 30mins to chuck stuff into factory and collect from all POCOs. Given that I only got 12 planets.

Indeed. Things change ones you talk about ~100 planets. Yet I still believe that a baseline check against lazy setup should be performed.

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A good P3 planet should run fifteen P3 factories, the products should come from P2 planets with twenty factories. Then you will learn that Pi is profitable everywhere.

You can also contact the poco’s CEO and ask for standings for a discount, this is a thing everywhere.
If you can’t haul yourself, just sell it locally, someone will buy it… or contract a courier to somewhere else, you don’t have to haul to the trade hub and you don’t have to spend so much on couriers.

If you are doing it in low sec, try bringing the Pi sell it all as closest to highsec as possible, someone will buy it all.

You should find how to make 1 bil with pi with 1 character, just find a way, think of it as a puzzle!
Even if you produce only P2 for a few months and then break all factories and make P3 for a month… then you will have to haul only a couple times a year!

With one account you can pay the 24 months omega package just with Pi if you don’t find this activity utterly disapointing and depressing.

If you work on P0-P1-P2 levels, the amount of hauling is just not worth your time… create your own market, find someone who buys it all from you, or just hoard Pi for months and then spend the month turning everything into P3 and then pay a courier.

Pi is ridiculously profitable

edit: if you buy or sell in bulk, people will mail you and then you can skip hauling/fees/taxes/marketpvp

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