Yes, but thatâs a different situation. Obviously if your lottery is about to expire itâs potentially better to buy your own tickets than to let it end and lose your F2P cash shop purchase without getting any money. But if you buy your own tickets to âhave a chance of keeping your itemâ youâre an idiot who doesnât understand math.
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CCP is, by making two things :
- The UI promotes offer as green while they are worse than going on the market. Thatâs a scam.
- The ui provides ticket price, item value, but not the effective item value. The only reason to do so, is to hide the loss from users, in order to make them believe that the value is higher than what is actually is. Thatâs literally hiding the information.
I donât mind gambling, for a lot of reasons - I just am not interested in it. I agree that gambling is at loss, and thus taking profit on people gambling is actually taking profit on people issues ; but I also explained why in reality itâs much more complex, and is not totally black nor white.
What however I am interested in, is the responsibility CCP has, to deliver a functional tool in the game. And they donât fulfill that responsibility, for the two reasons I gave that make this a SCAM. Iâm not complaining about the existence of scams in the game through the use of hypernet ; I am complaining that CCP made this feature a scam in itself, by choice. This is a choice of being asswholes from the CCP devs. Indeed in the game the scams are totally fine ; but the way CCP shat on their customers, is not.
This kind of information should be present to make the gambling respectful of its customers.
If you believe you can make up any rule for gambling, and not hurt your customers, you are wrong and should not be allowed to make gamble anymore.
You donât need to be an idiot to not understand maths. Error humanus est.
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Its not a scam, you pay isk you get a node. Straight foward transaction. A scam requires deception which inst really possible with the mechanics. Ignorance however cant be stopped.
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Not at all, as you noticed just after that:
So in fact you are buying chance, as you wrote earlier.
Of course ticket symbolizes chance. If you do not win ergo you get nothing, this âdocumentâ you can use in toilet to wipe your bottom after 
, it worth so much. In case of HyperNet you would have to use hand. 
because you can wind up winning nothing
That someone convinces you to buy chance, to earn equivalent of a toilet paper wipe for your money, is a con. Toilet paper is a lot less expensive. Also making use of the promise to win is a con, as chances are so miniscule usually its nearly impossible in a life in some loteries to win something, even when someone would buy ticket every day, a lot more possible is for example being killed in a terrorist attack or being struck in a head by meteoroid. The moeny is gathered in such way in great amounts, not producing anything and it is injustice, bad business, causing mental health issues, poorest became even more poor, everything wrong with it plus more I am not even able to think about in this moment, showed anough arguments already. If you dont understand, I cant blame you even, some people dont understand how wrong it is, because they learned to ignore obvious, some other people conned them. Like CCP.
Well it is. People complained in the help channel that they did not receive the item they paid one ticket for. And when explained, they realized they should not have paid the amount.
By NOT showing the effective price, CCP made the choice to create a SCAM. Itâs their responsibility, their mistake.
Ignorance canât be stopped. What can be, is making scam interface that enforce that ignorance. There is no word strong enough to describe how low CCP fell with that UI. They CHOSE deception, they CHOSE to scam their customers.
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50/50
Scamming is never fine. Whatâs wrong with being honest in your day-to-day dealings?
Chribba became rich and famous by being fair and honest, not by scamming people.
If the game is designed as making it good for people to scam others, then itâs a bad thing when nobody is scamming.
Players scam was designed as a part of the game. Not enough, some may say. If an interaction is too much used for scamming, then people wonât use that interaction at all, and CCP will have lost time to make it, and lost playersâ interaction.
Scamming is totally fine in the game, as long as it remains in the game.
Some people are only able to be Hilmar. 
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No, just no. I donât behave differently within the game. Do you?
Anyone who thinks they are buying an expensive item for just the relatively small price of a hypernet ticket / node is being very foolish and naive indeed.
government entities IRL (so, you know, not private companies running their own video games like the one weâre playing) shouldnât operate lotteries and such as they do exploit the desperation of people wanting a better life. Even IRL private entities shouldnât be prevented from running gambling, imoâŠfreedom of choice and allâŠ
I donât feel one bit sorry for any of us playing EvE losing on hypernet (which is not a scam although it does depend in large part on peopleâs desires and/or greed), or being scammed ingame, ganked, baited, etc. Just by having access to a computer and being able to play game(s) on it at all we are among the most priveleged persons in the world today and indeed known human history.
caveat emptor
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Being a pirat, ganking pilots who are outnumbered would be conseidered as âwrongâ in real life, and even in some other mmos. But Eve = sandbox, you can choose to be honest, give fair fights etc. Or you can choose to use game mechanisms to destroy ships, prevent players from mining etc.
You can choose to put the normal cost for the item you put on hypernet, or you can choose to try to lure players and get more isks. You take the risk that people check the correct price of the item, donât buy any node, and you will loose isks. Or you draw benefit from their ignorance/lazyness, and you win some isks. Nothing really different from pvp where you can take advantage from opponents ignorance (bad fitting, ignorance that you have 10 friends and a cloaky cyno ready to drop on them) and or lazyness (not scouting a gate etc).
I love having the right to choose. I also love making an INFORMED choice.
Thatâs the purpose of the OP. Iâm not naive enough to think that people are going to stop being immoral.
4% is terrible in my humble opinionâŠ
i understand your point, but would you want that a pilot who warps to a gate, with a gatecamp at the other side, receives a warning like âare you sure you want to jump through? the other side of the gate is bubbled and camped!â before jumping through? This would also be an informed choice.
People can choose to stay away from hypernet, and not buy any node. They can choose to check the normal price of the item. etc.
Eve punishes lazyness and ignorance. And i like it
I lost a JF 10 days ago, because i was tired and lazy and did not rescout the gate i had scouted earlier. That was my fault. Next time i will be more cautious. I like this game.
98% of Eve Player BaseâŠ
I do. In EvE I play a slaveowner with a huge herd of slaver hounds to run down any who try to escape the goo mines and aquaculture farms, semi-immortal spaceship-flying virtual fake-currency-rich who according to lore has casually massacred millions of spaceship crew and thinks nothing of shooting anybody.
IRL I am vehemently against slavery (sadly, there are actually more slaves today - mostly sex slaves, a semi-hidden plague - than at any time in history), have never flown a spacecraft, am very mortal, am not rich materially although my needs are met and I consider myself rich in relations with my fellow humans, and would not shoot anybody without being forced to by dire circumstance.
So yeahâŠseparating game and real life is pretty important.
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Exactly, I always buy 1 ticket, and then I ONLY bid on something that has a low ticket price, win or lose Iâve already got a tengu for the price of a single ticket and it will be a long time till I âbreak evenâ so I will continue to bid on many items and hopefully keep pushing the win/loss in my favor.
AgainâŠ
Ever heard of role play? Also if I beat someone in chess I must have evil intentions too right? If you canât differentiate fiction from reality then the problem is with you.
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But again, nobody have to behave differently.
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Andersen always wants the last word in, always.
Unless called up on it, it seems.