I logged in today

[Meridan_Night]

@Princess_Rose_Ivory

That is awesome! I logged in today too!

I logged in today.

[Meridan_Night]

@Aiko_Danuja

date or hold hands

Sexy.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Uriel_the_Flame

hiding in a hole.

But that you? You hide under null.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@MB_ThePhotographer

You hide under null.

Funny how you’re still wrong about that, never been to null in my entire EVE life on any character, not even just to visit or filament in or anything.

Still completely clueless.

On the other hand you didn’t deny any of the facts I’ve pointed out about you. Would be hard as they are facts but still.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

Ok.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Uriel_the_Flame

never been to null in my entire EVE life on any character

Uh, that’s nothing to be proud of.

Try playing the game!

[Uriel_the_Flame]

Calm down Aiko.

Also: Watch out Aiko a shield extender!

[Meona_Sherie]

@Mii_Lady

EVE itself is doing nothing to make its players talk to each other on a personal level. its not breaking walls down between people anymore

I look at it not as a community but as lots of different smaller rival communities. They don’t use the in-game chats but for the player-created chats, EVE communities are on Discord, Teamspeak and Twitch.

I haven’t seen anything in Local except one player who asked for help and I replied but didn’t stay in system to check his reply on the info I gave him. Most of the time I minimize Local as the window shows a player number while minimized.

@Mii_Lady

EVE itself is doing nothing to make its players talk to each other on a personal level. its not breaking walls down between people anymore

If they wanted to do something about that they would incorporate voice comms within the game.

@Mii_Lady

it seems odd to me that they have surrendered so much of the core fabric of how a mmo works to third parties be that alliances or third-party software that their game feels more empty than most single player games do now

I think we can chuck that to the amount of distrust and toxicity that EVE facilitate with its harsh mechanics. EVE isn’t like any other MMORPG so the conventions don’t really apply to it.

Overall I think it’s a great game, although I think it isn’t managed properly.

[Inxentas_Ultramar]

I think I’m one of the few people that built a corporation by recruiting in Local after a GF. The nature of this game is contrary to the concept of such expression. I remember (and I might remember wrongly) that Eve once had ingame voice chat. Didn’t they ditch that because nobody used it? Hypercapitalist space operara drama simply doesn’t elicit the kind of jolly cooperation typical of modern MMO’s.

I’ve always felt people in hisec are just concerned with running content safely as an individual and way too busy too talk, while nullbros simply allow their Local behavior to be policed. Lowsec and WH folk tend to be a little more talkative and less restrictive, but most conversations are indeed over private channels due to safety concerns.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too, basically. Enjoy your space paranoia!

[James_Golden]

Things that don’t help:

• Chat servers are unreliable. Even local suffers. The constant reconnecting. Delayed information in immediate channels. Ghost locals (like one or two frames of someone in local, maybe these are spy bots or something, but I’m sure they’re real! Right? I’m not going crazy?).
• An aging playerbase. Old people play or afk on the job or have kids running around, so they don’t have time to chit chat. Old people complain more. Old people are impatient. Old people seek less validation. Old people don’t feel the need to connect as much, because they’re more self-reliant and more careful with their attention and social energy.
• More alts and multiboxers. Not a problem in itself, but it creates the illusion of high traffic, making you think everything is so damn quiet relative to the traffic.
• More players who only engage with people that speak their mother tongue.
• Maybe this is just me but I feel like the social fabric of society in general has unravelled sufficiently and irrevocably in the sense that we have to work three, four times as hard to build community, a culture of tolerance and shared victories/spoils/stories/goals. Even if we disregard politics and ideological disagreement, which many of us do our best to avoid in channels and discord servers, there is a growing disconnect that goes beyond mere ideology. It’s an entropic consequence of all the information we process as contemporary humans. More information means more contention. And we have a ■■■■-ton of information. It’s a gross over-simplification, since many things work together to create the current climate, but it’s no less true.
• OPSEC [REDACTED]
• People take “neuts”, unfamiliars, more seriously these days (compared to like 10 years ago). Purely because people have more assets to lose, I think. If you’ve been in an NPC corp for a long time (or forever), you will raise some serious red flags with most people. Either you’re a lone wolf with little to no loyalties or a spy / scouting alt.
• Yeah, stuff like Discord has pulled comms away from the game. Why would we bother with all the channels and local, we’re already being bothered by 10 different alliance/corp/community/service server notifications and people. The only reason we really use ingame chat is to link ingame things and intel and engage in diplomacy until we get a discord invite

[Princess_Rose_Ivory]

@James_Golden

An aging playerbase. Old people play or afk on the job or have kids running around, so they don’t have time to chit chat. Old people complain more. Old people are impatient. Old people seek less validation. Old people don’t feel the need to connect as much, because they’re more self-reliant and more careful with their attention and social energy.

You forgot we poop a lot. Pooping is very important at our age. Not that I poop a lot, I have an ostomy bag myself. They are not fun. I still need to make regular trips to the bathroom or it will explode. Exploding is not fun. I don’t AFK at work, I am retired. However 2 or 3 days per week, I go to dialysis for a 3 hour treatment, not like I can play there or AFK.

Also you failed to add this bullet point;

• Juvenile payers will play at school ignoring their work and grade point average or they will be looking at Tik Tok or Twitch, so they don’t have time to chat. Juvenile players chat with 140 character limitations. Juvenile players are easy to irritate. Juvenile players don’t play social game to make friends, they are too busy trying to ignore the friends they have already.

I fixed that for you.

Have fun!

[Lesican]

@James_Golden

An aging playerbase. Old people play or afk on the job or have kids running around, so they don’t have time to chit chat. Old people complain more. Old people are impatient. Old people seek less validation. Old people don’t feel the need to connect as much, because they’re more self-reliant and more careful with their attention and social energy.

define old

young people have kids running around, old people have grandkids that you return to their parents when you want time to game

[Meridan_Night]

@Inxentas_Ultramar

I remember (and I might remember wrongly) that Eve once had ingame voice chat. Didn’t they ditch that because nobody used it?

There indeed was EVE voice or something like that. It got scrapped, but I don’t know exactly why. I never used it myself, and I was surprised to find out about its existence back when it was still active, because I didn’t know a single person who used it.

Personally, outside nullsec fleet ops I don’t use voice chat. When I have EVE open, it means I’m home and i have some free time to f*ck around online, which means I am listening to music or have a film on on the background. Why would I want to listen to some random chatter from guys I don’t know? I don’t. I don’t see the point.

[Gloria_Exercitus]

@James_Golden

Old people play or afk on the job or have kids running around, so they don’t have time to chit chat. Old people complain more. Old people are impatient. Old people seek less validation. Old people don’t feel the need to connect as much, because they’re more self-reliant and more careful with their attention and social energy.

Ah…old people have had 60 years or more to learn not to stereotype. ‘Young people’ should try it sometime

[Meridan_Night]

@Princess_Rose_Ivory

Also you failed to add this bullet point;

• Juvenile payers will play at school ignoring their work and grade point average or they will be looking at Tik Tok or Twitch, so they don’t have time to chat. Juvenile players chat with 140 character limitations. Juvenile players are easy to irritate. Juvenile players don’t play social game to make friends, they are too busy trying to ignore the friends they have already.

I fixed that for you.

I’ll try to make my version of it.

40-something guys will play at their leisure time, on a casual basis. They’re usually busy with something else on the side, like fixing a ‘69 Dodge Charger (or a bike), reading a book, learning a new language, dealing with plants, designing a home, listening to music, or having sex. All of which will take precedence over online activities including video games. These are guys who still grew up on real in-person interactions and communication with other people, so they might not value voice chatting with strangers on the internet so much.

[John_Rochard]

I don’t chat much because I keep getting told by players and ISD that I am breaking the rules or off topic. Local chat is very pointless unless you set up the filters proper in Jita. I might start a conversation in local, while shopping in Jita. However it comes to an end when I take off to another system. I sure don’t chat while gas mining in low sec. I am more likely to go AFK during gas mining ( since it takes 50 minutes per load ) and watch something on Disney+ or Paramount.

Why does local chat even matter? I have my Discord as backup, I can get in touch with most of the people I play with on cell phone. Anything beyond corp chat is just static.

Fly safe o7

[Spacetramp_Drago]

@Mii_Lady

I waved in local and of the hundreds or so there I was only met with figurative tumble weeds.

I know what you mean.

I’ve been in the same system for years, along with a few others but trying to communicate with them in local is always met with silence.

I’ve even offered to let the local mission runners follow me in lvl 4 security missions and salvage all they want, but I just get silence.

Open up a fleet with my Porpoise, silence, nobody joins.

It’s like everyone has retreated into their own space and are happy keeping to themselves.

[Gerard_Amatin]

In a game where local chat is often used to scam people and where open fleets are an easy way to kill others it’s no surprise people tend to ignore such attempts at ‘free generosity’.

Many people even have the chat part of local chat hidden.

I like talking in local chat from time to time. Banter with allies or even hostiles, it makes the game fun. I just won’t expect that most players will see it or respond to it.

If you wish to regularly fleet up and chat with people, why not join a corporation?

[Gloria_Exercitus]

@Spacetramp_Drago

I’ve been in the same system for years, along with a few others but trying to communicate with them in local is always met with silence.

I lurk outside Jita, and am quite chatty. But most of the time I am too busy paying attention to what’s going on. And that’s the issue. Most people who might have a good chat are busy….so you end up with the bored people who have nothing else to do just spamming.

[James_Fuchs]

Regional chat might be interesting. Here is my reasoning:

Tons of players are travelling, staying in a system for only a couple of seconds. If they want to have a conversation in local, they would have to stop their journey. Nobody does that.

If you had regional chat however, you could keep a conversation going beyond the next stargate. Travellers wouldn’t have to stop to chat with the locals plus there are now more chatters too.

I think this is a good idea.

With chatty regards
-James Fuchs