The alternative being, what, some sorta inactivity kick timer? You’d just end up with an empty or nearly empty room most of the time.
I get that as-is the Summit isn’t ideal. But I don’t see how the direction you’re wanting to go would be a practical solution.
Does Visera Yanala count? That was the Caldari State capsuleer who commanded the Shiigeru over Caldari Prime.
Conceivably.
Oh well, is the lore that get adjusted to fit the necessities of the game and not the other way around. And it happens often enough that you can’t really expect much consistency anyways.
So, if the game need space with restricted pvp then the NPC that own that space have a huge advantage, but if that same space need to have an incursion thatn the NPC that own that space is suddenly tie out somewhere else.
PS:pics of my chess set would be rather boring and unimpressive, but I still own, not one, but 4 rooks nonetheless. 
Exactly. The actions people take in the game cannot be retconned.
The lore is retconned all the time.
Which is real again?
Well…neither. 
As you said above, we all RP to a degree.
Lol good call.
Lets go with “game is canon” and leave it there.
Nice try. But is CCP’s game and they say the lore is canon too.
You said the game don’t get retconed. However I remember flying in a manticore with cruise missiles, how is that possible if stealth bombers are torpedo ships?
Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t have RP in eve in high regards but the people doing it are just trying to get fun with the game like you and me.
No I didnt.
Ok, I missed the nuance. My bad.
But the point stands. The game also have it’s fair share of inconsistencies that have nothing to do with the lore. Don’t those bother you like the lore-related (apparently) do?
No not really.
What bothers me is generic dull lore that doesnt reflect what actual players have done and do being taken as more important to the history of the fiction we all collectively create.
If you let people having different preference bother you then you will never stop being bothered. In the end all boils down to it, they prefer to enjoy the game in a different way than you. 
I dont think we are talking about the same thing.
Im talking about the game that I play.
Other people are talking about some fan fiction that somehow I should take what happens in it seriously.
What a bunch of npcs on a page do doesnt effect the decisions actual players make.
If they want more people to RP, then the first thing they need to do is stop tying themselves down to dusty uninteresting stories that didnt happen.
Because CCP’s changes to ships are, in-universe, CONCORD updates to ship specifications that get pushed through to all station hangar and repair crews. So yes, Manticores used to have cruise missiles. That hasn’t been retconned any more than the US Navy used to fly F-14s has been.
Not directly, no. But I fly a fax, and a Hel.
Jamyl Sarum set up a ‘strip Sleeper implants out of their heads for our warclones’ program. The Drifters then came and volleyed her titan. In response, the empires overhauled their triage systems and developed the Force Auxiliaries. They also revised and upgraded the defensive capabilities of their supercapitals by developing things like Capital Shield Extenders and 25000mm Armor Plates.
So, yeah, what the NPCs did effected my decisions. I don’t fly triage nids and archons anymore.
NPCs in game as an explaination of a game change, or NPCs in a book?
Because thats what we are talking about.
The game is changed, and some times we get a bit of lore talking about it.
Nothing that starts as a piece of out of game fiction is then developed into a piece of game history. It is always the other way around.
In short
Primary Source = game
All other sources = flavour text
Yes. The events of the Drifter attack on Jamyl’s titan in-game were a development and response to plot elements originally published in one of the TonyG books… The Empyrean Age, I think. Hell, the whole Trigvasion scenario and Trig ships themselves can be seen as a development off of those originally-in-the-books elements. That’s more tenuous, but a case could conceivably be made.
Except, you know, when it’s not.
But it is.
NPCs dont do things.
Players do things. Players create things, make stories.
NPCs are painted cardboard.
Edit: I still find it telling that no one debating this has yet provided any citation of where its written that the Empires couldnt be obliterated by the Imperium if it wasnt for CONCORD. Just “it is written”.
So yeah at the end of the day, there is no proof the Empires have this power. There may be stories, but lore can be written to say anything. It doesnt mean the universe changes because it is written.
That’s because it wasn’t put down in any formal ‘this is prime fiction’ way. It was a CCP community dev (Falcon) who basically said that if you gather up all the titans in null (at that time, which was 2019ish), the smallest of the empires would outnumber them about 1000:1.
If you want a real ‘this is how it is in the game’, consider this: every day, mission runners throughout highsec and lowsec kill thousands of NPC ships from opposing empires. And the empires don’t seem to even notice. It’s certainly not a drain on their resources.
By that logic then they let the Triglavians win.
If losing 10,000 ships a day isnt a problem, why couldnt they stop the invasion?
Secondly, if losing 10,000 ships a day isnt a drain on resources, does it matter if those resources never accomplish anything?
You can have an army of 8 billion babies, but 8 trained armed soldiers will still win.
We seem to be back to “they have trillions of population”, to which I reply that one single Bee could kill literally millions themselves in a single fit frigate and run very little risk of being killed.
And if he does, he clones anyway.
People tend to get really annoyed when I point out things like that, and insist the supercapital assets were totally there, they just somehow never got used against the World Arks. :shrug:
Those resources keep the other side’s resources in check.
Not in a meaningful amount of time. You’d have to kill like, 300 or so battleships in that single frigate.
And hey, guess what? Navy baseliners have clone backups now, too.