CCP prefers to punish the players and let the bots play and make money. It’s logic…
Maybe bots belong to ccp to keep a stable economy
Such is the normal behavior of a player that is only interested in “Cheating” their way through a game. Unless you change the behavior of the person behind the player it will not change much of anything. Only when the cost of buying/playing the game exceeds the benefits it brings, then it will start to have an effect.
I send the threats received in pm to the video game press as well as all the screens of my tickets and the degrading answers of the gm who answered me on behalf of ccp
If only this game didn’t have over simplified PvE mechanics that are so easily automated.
But I hear, the PvE mechanics are all the rage around these parts. So much excitement.
the problem is not the game it is the mentality of ccp and gm that sencure us. it is this mechanism that protects bots and flee players who like me stop their subscription
There are many problems.
The mechanics, the playerbase and CCP. They are all part of the problem.
But yeah. banning those bots of yours won’t do anything. They will just put up new ones. Those FW farming bots that got early banned cause people were loud about it on the forums, they are almost all back as usual.
Spamming the forums with pointless threads does nothing as well.
Go blow them up and remove them from your system.
if you’re so smart, just blow them up yourself. 15 apocalypse in HS … good luck …
I connect 2 hours a day to play and not to do the work of ccp.
maybe you can play 10 hours a day and waste your time with it but not me.
I agree, free to play is the main issue here.
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Why would I want to blow them up? They are not in my system. You are the one complaining about them sitting in your system.
I’m just smart enough to know that spamming the forums with nonsense threads does not contribute anything.
like your comments that are only there to blame other players.
Then we are two who just make posts to blame. That is at least a truth I can accept.
Good we agreed in the end.
That is what a forum bot would reply.
Bots are hard to keep out but punishing casual players for it is dumb. What is very important is to observe them and follow the ISK stream. That way RMT can be discovered. The bot accounts can be remade in less than 5 minutes by a account creation bot.
Sounds like you are preprogrammed. Update your botsoft from PVE to PVP. You use those two hours to identify the bots or are you just wrongly accusing people playing in the same area as botters so you have the solar system to yourself?
Thats the first thing fw bros did, we were shotting them for months. We couldnt kill enough of them so we started messing with their weakneses, developing special fits and leaving hulls on gates. That was also ineffective simply because of the scale of infestation, we couldnt cover all sistems 23/7.
I assume the reports were pouring at that time, i personally sent a few every day, most of them i never saw again but all of them were replaced the next day.
Then i saw a thread here so i started shitposting and BAM CCP swings the hamer and wipes 95% of the bots in the warzone
I am here because this is the most effective way in my experience, dont tell me to stfu.
I think a more active bot fighting should be done by CCP however since the players are more apt in spotting them it might be better to start a playergroup that hunts and fights bots. Kinda like bombers bar but for destroying bots. However as stated above it is a war of attrition. And making botting more expensive than profitable would be the real solution. The ‘annoy regular players’ suggestions are just bad.
You are entitled to do whatever you want. Just don’t be surprised when CCP bans you from spamming and opening locked threads, which was what I was trying to point out initially.
As I’ve stated, I also find CCP is part of the problem i.e. them not being vigilant enough to take down bots. But it’s still my opinion that banning bots alone is not enough. New ones will just replace them.
So what would be the benefit of NOT telling us about all the assets being confiscated and the implications of the FW bans? Reading that dev-blog they are making dead sure to tell everyone that those were “repeating offenders” and “RMT’ers” - which mean for the average Joe, trying a bot for a period of time is still completely viable - especially when you see how bad they are at catching them.
I shouldn’t have to name MMO’s who have far less problems with bots in comparison to EVE Online. There’s a reason why finding a working and 1-click-setup EVE bot takes literally seconds.
If there’s a “flawed belief” on what CCP does, there’s only one company to blame: CCP. The communication is TERRIBLE when it comes to one of the biggest issues within the game right now, and on top of that there are countless examples of them simply not reacting even though reports are being made.
Your issues with captcha is hilarious to me. I have a background in Computer Science, and i can tell you that while there obviously are programs that can solve a lot of captchas, these programs most certainly go far beyond setting up simple macros for eve botting. Yes, some developers will find a way through that, but the vast majority will not.
The last part of your topic tells me you didn’t fully read my initial idea. There will be no “player flagging” or “abuse”. I’m talking about algorithms only flagging accounts and whether effective or not this system will most certainly not be abused for griefing (and furthermore should of course never be intrusive to a point where players leaving).
I keep seeing that argument about “players leaving because they have to solve a captcha”, and seriously guys… It makes me wonder if you are botting yourself. Of course no player ever would leave a game they love, because they once or twice over a period of a year would be presented with a captcha - even ONLY when doing certain activities and behaving a way which could make them suspect to botting. Come on.
I see this claim again and again, but i have yet to see any evidence that the most effective approach is to stay passive for months and collect data, and then ban in a huge wave. By then, the trillions of ISK channeled into the game would be scattered to a point where destroying them would be impossible, and by then thousands of players would be affected by anything from market bots, anomaly bots or fw bots.
So then the “banwave” happens, and - by your own words - we now have the bots instantly replaced and months until the next banwave happens. Could you explain to me again how this is in any way an effective solution to the botting problem?
The “banwave” approach is also utilized by Valve for CS:GO and i don’t think you will find a game with more blatant hackers on official (and “secured”) servers than CS:GO. On the other hand, there are multiple examples of games taking an active approach to anti-cheats (BF franchise for instance), resulting in a lot fewer cheaters.
Lol, And whilst we are waiting for this imaginary big wave (what like the one two guys did on overtime one weekend?), what do the rest of us do for the 6 to 12 months inbetween whilst our game play is wrecked. What message does it send to the botters, knowing that if there has just been a ‘big wave’ they have 6 months of undisturbed botting ahead of them. and post big wave, exactly how does this immediately stop them returning the next day thanks to alpha toons and skill injectors.
Likewise, how does this stop and deter new players from buying RMT’d isk, thus fuelling the problem, when they hear their mates been doing it for 5 months with no punishment?
And pray tell, exactly what info are you scared of sharing with them. The bots are as blatant as the nose on your face, are u worried that they may find out that they may be targeted or something. I’ve worked in intel for 30 years and I tell you its just an excuse to do nothing blaming compromise of intel
Show me another game that 'bans bots only once every 6 months or so and leaves them in situ for the rest of the time.
Hit them, and when they return next day, hit them again, and again and again, till they give up and go find another game to milk for RMT, and whilst you are doing that, figure out a long term solution.
We’ve been doing that and hitting hauler and PVE bots like that for over 18 months. ITS NOT OUR JOB and we are TIRED OF IT - plus tell me exactly how I kill market bots?
There is no other MMO where the bots have reached such levels of saturation. There is no other MMO where the managing body turns such a blind eye to them.
Nice attitude, if they’re not in your back yard then they doesn’t effect you. A lot of countries could have said the same during the outbreak of WW2, thankfully they banded together and worked for a common goal. Guess you would have been the guy hiding under his bed, refusing to come out because if you hide your head long enough it will all be alright, not.
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Captcha is the quickest way to stop people playing, it’s annoying as hell, could be seen as discriminatory against Eve players that rely on assistive technologies to play and next to useless in preventing automation; there being bots/AI out there that are better at solving them than some people.
Side note, some of the NPC AI in Eve is better at Eve than some players.
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