This is wierd, because i tried the exact same thing and it worked -_-
I’ve created a “fake” account just to “save” the name i’d wish for this character (Esnaelc) then deleted this character, and recreated another one on the same account than the one i would like to rename, and it worked.
Maybe there’s another small delay after the biomass is complete ? Can you try again ?
Or maybe it was taken in the meanwhile, have you tried to search for a character named like the name you tried to use ?
The debate here seems to suggest that players can remember more character names than they can have in their contacts, which seems silly to say the least, I don’t remember the name of some guy who ganked me 5 years ago, why would I?
I’m not reliant on character names to be aware of who I should be careful of, I use corp, alliance, standings and the notes tab to be aware of this information. Name usually isn’t that important for me, if the issue is people running out of contacts, that’s an easy fix for CCP, they could even do the folder system that they used on the bookmark overhaul to make contacts much easier to use.
Being able to put people in your “Gankers” Contacts folder, is going to be much more useful and practical for the average player than trying to remember the names of every player who has ever ganked them
I agree with the "X amount of names to remember.
But some people here told me they could, so i took that in count… :x
I’m also skeptical about the fact that some people reached the contact limit.
I never could verify myself that such a limit even exists.
Not only can you add detailed informations in the “Note” tab of Character Information window, but you can also use “Labels” in Contacts of People & Places.
That’s why i have a real hard time to find relevance in the arguments opposed to this idea as far as “reputation” and “contact tagging” are concerned…
The tools exist in game to be aware if a “bad guy” enters local, and the Name Change Certificate is not about erasing these tags or tools.
It’s not about remembering, it’s about recognising.
The main recognisable feature of other players is their name. It’s the first and often only thing you see of other players.
Difference between remembering and recognising is that one is passive memory and the other active memory. Do I remember the name of the ganker that got me 3 years ago? Probably not. Would I recognise his name when I saw him? Probably yes.
Change those names and I won’t recognise them anymore.
Recognizing people relies on memory though
This is wrong.
As pointed out by @James_cliford and by myself earlier in this thread, you cannot remember 30k characters playing on average everyday in Eve Online.
This is precisely why Contact list, and tags exist.
Further more, i’ve mentioned social studies telling that human beings will focus on colors or shapes rather than names to recognise the most efficient way something or someone.
That’s why tags in Contact list red/orange/blue/light blue are the very first thing you see “at first glance”, then, you watch the name.
And, only after that, if you have a very good memory, you know why you tagged this guy a particular color.
That’s why “at a glance” does not exist for names.
It does for tags.
That’s why you should always be cautious wether you know the name or not, or wether you tagged somebody or not.
And so, the conclusion is : the argument about “i need to be able to recognise somebody at a glance in local by his name” is irrelevant.
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As I said, it’s not about remembering their names. It’s about recognising them.
And no, I’m not claiming I recognise all players. I recognise only the ones I recognise. And if those players would change names, I wouldn’t recognise them.
I’m not sure what’s so hard about that to understand.
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Maybe a Dictionnary will help you understand what is obvious…
To recognise something or somebody implies that you already seen it before or that someone or something told you / informed you about that thing, and therefore that you are trusting your memory to tell your brain that you know this thing or body…
Yes, and to recognise a player I need to have seen their name before.
And as you are trying to make it possible for players to change their names, I would not be able to recognise them.
you could recognise them, by using your contacts.
And on that we reply :
Unless you are able to memorise 30k player names playing Eve Online everyday on average, you use contact list color tags…
And that biologically you recognise those tags before you can recognise the names, even more so if the local chat has more than 10 names listed.
Even without tags, your behaviour should be : i don’t recognise the name ? → i’m acting carefully.
And so, if you couldn’t tag “Bad Guy” red, and he changed his name to “Devil Guy”, you don’t recognise “Devil Guy”, and, you act, carefully…
I’m not sure what’s so hard about that to understand.
I use my contacts to keep track of contacts.
I’m talking about recognising anyone, not just contacts.
And no, I repeat: I’m not claiming I can recognise everyone. Even if I only recognise 1 out of every 10 people I’ve seen before, if those players change their names, I won’t recognise them.
What’s so hard about understanding that?
Recognising “anyone” implies that this one you want to recognise stands out from the “average other” players.
And so, you tagged him…
If you did not, could not, did not want to tag him, the only thing that you know about him is, his name.
Since you should act carefully if you do not recognise a name, if the name has been changed, the character falls down to the “unknown names” category.
And therefore, you act cautiously…
Not just about caution.
Also about casually recognising the other players in your alliance that you mined with, the guy you interacted with on the forums a while ago, that guy you still remember from your first blops fleet because he lost his Marshall when we got counterdropped…
EVE is about creating memories. If people change names, I won’t recognise the people anymore that are connected to those memories.
Let’s say you’re right,
even then I still think small scale name changes should be allowed, I should be able to put in a ticket to have my name fixed, I shouldn’t have to deal with the Capitalization of my name being an embarrassment, and the only avenue to fix it available to me, (making a new character and extracting/injecting all my sp over to them) shouldn’t be the only way I can fix it.
And so, because you want to be able to recognise the one you shared Eve Online time with, you are forbiding calmly every player the access to a feature that would allow them to change names ?
Quite unbelievable.
Let’s make a real life translation, just for fun.
Gerard Amatin May 2021 : “I hereby forbid anyone that i saw in my life to change their names, to change their hair color, to get fat or thin, to have an accident or any kind of surgery that may alter their body shape or face, to wear a mask or make up, to leave my vicinity or to die until i die myself.”.
Yeah, funny.
As in real life there are way more features to a person than just their name, that analogy falls flat.
Within EVE, your name is your identity.
This is where your argument is funny, precisely because in real life you have more ways to identify a person.
Just, like, in Eve Online, if a player, and most of us do, plays an alt or a rerole and comes to you like he knows you and tells you “it’s me”.
The character name does not hold any identity or reputation.
The player behind the screen does.
Yet how do I recognise the player behind the screen?
Right, their name.
Yes you do.
Until they changed it.
Or they play another character.
Or your memory doesn’t.