Because war has no limits! In history, and thats truth, there were always things horrible and traumatizing because of the power over some other beings and people go very far then, breaking all the limits. Its the origin of evil, when you have weapon and it equals power over someone and nobody there to stop you…
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War does have limits. We are its limits. If a human is subjected to enough abuse (or a good reason), he stops doing what he was doing. So, I guess my question is essentially this: why is one player not able to subject another player to enough violence or enough of a reason to deter that other player from being aggressive?
Maybe the problem is not that one player would choose to gank or harrass or otherwise negatively affect another’s gameplay. Maybe it is that other player’s lack of agency to respond in kind. Maybe it is the (unnatural) asymmetry of the encounters that EVE’s gameplay forces onto players that even makes it actually possible to commit sustained aggression and harrassment.
A ship and its loadout are tools. Some ships are hammers. Some ships are nails. Maybe this is the problem.
The bumping thing was my foul deed 
It’s the only time I’ve seen CCP comment in that sort of depth on what harassment is, so it is somewhat related; and it is on a case by case basis.
Wardecs are obviously exempt from it, because paying to hunt down and kill select groups as much as you can is very much intended. Plus nullsec politics and warfare are very much based around similar activities.
Ganking is another thing entirely and as you say CCP won’t be as specific as they were in bumping. How they’d rule on what OP is suggesting is anybody guess.
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No, its human nature in case of having power to commit things to other people, and EVE allows much. Some people dont want to have such power because power corrupts. Also why is there so much law in place? Because of people that would do horrible thing if not for power of the state/GM going after someone who is going rogue. In EVE the intervention isnt severe as much excluding GM things, because of the capsuleer status and possibilities, but also playability factor. That doesnt mean the law in game could not change.
For example you can always pod someone on undock, and if that person would not mind it indefinitely, you could do it indefinitely, Maybe farm thousands of corpses, maybe farm killmarks, maybe train ganking, who knows, you can do it.
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. . . and so only those who do not fear corruption will pursue and attain power.
We see this in EVE Online. Those who wish to do violence to their fellow players skill into powerful strike and combat ships. But in real-life, there is a very effective throttling mechanism: attaining power requires patience, discipline, intelligence, cooperation. This is not so in EVE Online.
I watched a video of the US Air Force testing one of their spaceships a few weeks ago and it occurred to me that a large community of smart and disciplined people cooperated over a long period of time to produce that spaceship. Those prone to use deception, threat, violence would not be nearly as inclined to produce such an elegant fury. They cannot help but beat eachother over the head before getting that far.
Rather than players needing to essentially appeal to God to stop harrassment, maybe there is a way to bottleneck wreckless aggression using in-game mechanics. Then if someone gets ganked over and over again, it really would be their fault and their choice.
It’s kind of a sad commentary on the human animal that even a game they play, set in the future, in a far off space, still needs police and God to keep them from being too evil. We know that neither mechanism, nor both together, will be completely effective.
OMG- I thought it was just me!
I’d always assumed everyone else was just an extra in the movie of my life… but now it seems there may be another. There can be only one.
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ccp has said in the past “the more we define the rules , the more people find loopholes” . that’s why there’s so much discretion in GM rulings , and not always uniform …
you could blow someone up every day as long as they don’t petition you’d be fine .
once that petition is put in and assigned to a gm , you’d be told to stop , so the petition could be closed .
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Hey! it is Elena, where have you been girl?
Theres a webpage from CCP explaining what is considered harassment, and it explains if u try to avoid it and move away considerably (30 jumps?), and the guy keeps following u, then its harassment.
Which is exactly whats happening.
hmm
It is perfectly legal to gank someone over and over until they obtain a mining permit.
In fact, this is required by law, as we have no tolerance for illegal mining.
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There’s logs n records of every action u perform in eve as well as all your messages. They know where u went, who u shot, what station u visited and the times they happened. Don’t kid yourself… CCP knows every move u make.
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You missed the point, no one cares.
Why does the guy keep following? Is it something personal, or is the victim making himself an easy target by repeating the same mistake?
In the first case I can see how it could be considered harassment if there were no logical reason for the ganker to keep following the gankee (such as revenge).
In the second case it’s smart gameplay encouraged by the game through locator agents that allow players to capitalize on repeated mistakes.
If I were a ganker (which I’m not) and know a character that makes the same mistake such as flying expensive ships without tank, I can imagine running a locator agent daily to find my daily portion of easy target.
The latter would not be ‘harassment’ as it could easily be countered by the ganked person by not repeating the same mistake. Adapt!
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Just like everyone else you first get a warning.
If you don’t comply then they’ll tempban you.
If you then still don’t comply, they’ll kick you out for good.
People are throwing the word “ban” around like this is China.
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Even in the second case, it still becomes harassment after a while if you are deliberately hunting the same person (as opposed to sitting on a least time route between trade hubs, and ganking the 10 billion isk cargo T1 hauler that keeps autopiloting the route).
There comes a point where it just becomes over the top hunting.
Are you sure about this? I have never personally known anybody who got banned, but I definitely have an impression that warnings are not always given.
What you just wrote: “I don’t know at all, but I think it’s true anyway.”
How am I supposed to react to this?
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By explaining to me that you have more information than I do. At least I can admit that my information is limited. Can you?