If I keep ganking the same person over and over again, is that illegal according to TOS?

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So you need to know how many times you can gank someone before you need to switch to an alt to continue? I think 0. You need to target capsuleers for an ingame reason. If they move you let it go. If you keep hunting after them in multiple systems it will appear that you were not able to read the Terms Of Service and CCP will help you and all your accounts to not be in confusion.

You are so dodgy on explaining what you want to do it’s obvious you want to target someone you don’t like personally and break the TOS and don’t want to have any consequences…

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Wow, that’s a really rare response.
I appreciate it and shall deliver.

In general it’s simply applied common sense. You always warn first, unless the person really is a problem. People can have bad days and that’s something that has to be considered by GMs, otherwise things would go nuts. People knowing that one can get banned easily discourages a lot of people from playing, because they can’t know what might get them banned and they know that everyone can have a bad day … including GMs.

You usually don’t get to read about devs banning people quickly …
… because that’s simply not a smart thing to do.

There’s always a warning first, unless you committed an offense that makes it clear you’re an asshole. Usually, you get the chance to show that you’re just having a bad day. When you don’t listen, then they slap a ban onto you. Second warnings are a sign of weakness and don’t help. Most often you receive a tempban, because maybe you’re going through a divorce or something. ■■■■ really happens. Only when you insist on being an asshole they will kick you out.

It’s “laissez faire”. Devs don’t punish you for discovering and abusing a loophole in the game mechanics either. In fact, as long as it’s not game breaking, when you ask GMs if it’s okay they usually tell you that it’s fine to do it but they might declare it an exploit at some point, at which you have to stop immediately.

Or you can just not tell anyone and they might never notice … and even when they do, they won’t do anything about it simply because it wasn’t game breaking. When it was, though, they’re probably going to kick your ass. Common sense applies a lot, really. When you have none, it usually means you’re an asshole who deserves getting banned.

That’s the best part about common sense.
Those who have none, or can’t apply it, usually are assholes.

That’s also why I’m sure I don’t need to explain “common sense” to you.

I’ve known tons of people who got banned, most of which I don’t even remember the names. Not just knowing because they’ve been talked about, but knowing because I’ve talked to them a lot.

DJ Entropy Ovaert got his ass banned for being an asshole in game.
He was my friend for many years and one of the higher ups of the CODE. alliance back then.

Erotica1 got his ass banned for continuously escalating the ■■■■ he did, until he achieved what he wanted: Getting banned for being the greatest villain EVE ONLINE has ever seen. (Yes, really. That was his goal. It’s a valid goal, though is journey towards it was rather questionable)

These guys had no sense for common sense …
… and that gets you banned eventually.

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Yes, your response was informative.

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Ok, so if I gank haulers/miners in one spot and some ag continuously kills me (theoretically) and I then make an effort to go > 30 jumps (maybe even multiple times) to gank there, and he follows me to interfere again this would be considered harassment?

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After enough of it yes, because it becomes clear it’s a personal vendetta, rather than generally anti ganking.
Now… this assumes only you move of course and only they move. So it gets very complex very fast.
If for example, PIRAT were to move an entire 50 man ganking operation, that gets a bit different, because no-one is left ganking in the initial spot.
So… Yes there is no hard & fast rule that you can simply say ‘This works’, but also yes, enough following can & does become harassment.

Of course… most of the time it’s actually certain gankers who are on the harassment side, lets not pretend all gankers are saints and that some don’t also troll victims a fair bit. So lets not have you spinning this into an “Evil anti gankers” shall we mmmmm.

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Do you even know of a single case?

For example?

I can provide multiple ag examples btw, we have a full homepage of that

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Blah blah. Save the whining for another thread, and don’t spin off topic with false narratives, we both know how it goes, just because I don’t go saving everyone I’ve successfully trolled into raging and pretending that none of the posts were deliberately provoked on a website doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
And get back on topic.

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Haha, typical Nevyn tha good boy talking again about stuff he has no clue about and fails to deliver as always. :joy:

Who said that where?

I’m really bad at PvP, true, most are even worse, so I’m fine.

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Me being a good example of this. Karak would defeat me every time I engaged him in conventional PvP… :slightly_frowning_face:

So I resorted to just anti-gank and nothing else… And harassing gankers, which I may follow around for quite a good number of jumps… Still waiting for that ban to happen, so far not even a warning yet… :thinking:

What a bunch of nonsense this thread has too… :crazy_face:

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Silly man.

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I know, it was purely theoretical. But maybe I went too far. I will flog myself and say 100 praise James.

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Guys this thread can be closed, ignore all the old GMs posts in old forums they dont represent current CCPs stance about this issue as you can read on this post (edit):

https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/2535377/#post2535377

Removed discussion with a GM. PLease follow rule 2. Thank you. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Enjoy and lets play EVE :wink:

EDIT: Ok apparently, I cant copy paste direct conversations that I had with senior GMs about this, so heres the TLDR:

"Its OK, within current CCP stance to continuously gank, scam, spy, bump, threat, steal, pirate, extort and attack the the same player or any other player for as many times as you want, INCLUDING following him around, because the opportunity to do so is built in the game mechanics!"

@isd let me know how can I rephrase this in order to let others in this thread know about it without breaking forum rules if this edit isnt enough thanks.

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I told you so!

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They talked about this rule a while ago: Security Update – Q1 2018 | EVE Online

For now, the best way is to ask whether you can share the communication if you feel you need to and be fair about how you treat one-on-one communication.

Maybe you can ask the GM if it is ok to share it and then post it again here if this is fine.

The actual reason the rule was originally set was to protect our staff from out of context posting and partial reposting intended to foster misinformation without us jumping in and clarifying. The thinking was (and to some degree still is) that this would put our staff in a position where unless they responded to every such post, it could be expected to represent proper context.

In that sense it was always meant to improve discussion, not censor it.

I don’t know, but to me it feels rather strange that they have this in place to prevent “out of context posting” but the solution is “just paraphrase the GM, that’s fine”.

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I think they want to avoid the situation of two GMs making contradictory statements, and so if people paraphrase then they can always say that someone misquoted them.

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There is an explanation for this. When you’re paraphrasing the GM, it’s you who are saying it, not him, and hence you lose the position of authority that you might pretend you have by directly quoting him. You’re just expressing your opinion based on your understanding of what he said.

This may matter and make a significant difference to them if someone takes what they said out of context.

For example, even after this has apparently been cleared up, I still think you’re at risk of rule breaking for harassment if you make it personal and follow someone around with the intention of not letting him play the game at all, just not if you’re doing it as part of the normal gameplay because you find him to be a good target for you.

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Yeah that is pretty obvious and not what I actually object to. It is just regular ass covering but they try to sell it as if this somehow improves the conversation and avoids misinformation. It’s another example of CCP assuming their customers are complete idiots and will not notice this right away.

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Ah, yeah, it certainly doesn’t help that it allows “participants” like the one above your post (which I’m quoting below) to claim it’s fake just because it doesn’t meet his expectations, with no way to prove him wrong in a public forum, even though he’s blatantly wrong.

Man, I’m so glad there are “participants” like you in these forums that help so much others to understand what the game is about…

Everybody wanting to clarify any doubts you may have about CCP policies don’t bother asking them directly, ask this @Lucas_Kell guy instead. He’ll tell you in advance what the response of the GM will (or rather should) be, which will allow you to clearly differentiate between a true and a fake response, depending on whether it agrees with him or not…

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Who was banned for following someone around?

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You are still talking and and have nothing to show

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