Interdiction Nullify Blockade Runners

[TYRANNATOR_I1I]

@Moriar_theChosen

A correctly fit and flown blockade runner is almost impossible to catch.

Use hyperspatial rigs, nanos, and the mwd cloak trick, and scout and learn the rhythms of the route you take.

If you’re trying to run a Simple Farmer’s gate camp, well that’s like trying to wheel suitcases of cocaine through JFK’s international terminal. Just not a good idea.

Even a nullified BR would get caught there, because it can’t cloak with all the cans out, so you’d just get insta locked by some Keres while aligning and explode anyway.

I EVE

[Mayhaw_Morgan]

@Daichi_Yamato

[Blockade runners] still run blockades.

2 dudes in Sabres are not a blockade, although they might be a part of a blockade. A blockade is a strategic response by a large entity against another relatively large entity. Running a blockade is a tactical response to a blockade, although it may be a part of a strategy that consists exclusively of running the blockade. The tactic of camping a gate and interdicting people attempting to run the blockade is not, in and of itself, a blockade.

The point of saying this is to illustrate something: a blockade exists, as a strategy, at more than just stargates. It occurs over a large surface area or large volume of space. That you can choose such a strategy and then have it enforced successfully by simply having two dudes in Sabres camping a chokepoint is preposterous.

@Daichi_Yamato

A hictor working alone is not an effective camp and will not successfully blockade all targets.

@Daichi_Yamato

A heavy interdictor at a gate in null can INTERDICT ALL targets . . .

Do you see the difference between what you said and what I said?

@Daichi_Yamato

Neither is blockade running [a solo action].

A single ship runs a blockade, because blockade running is a tactic. A single ship shouldn’t be able to interdict all potential blockade runners (i.e. enforce a blockade) because a blockade is a strategy. And, I don’t think attempting to run a gate camp in a well skilled and fitted BLOCKADE RUNNER qualifies as “half assed”.

[Ramona_McCandless]

They arent called Blockade Ignorers tho.

If any particular ship can be almost guarrunteed through any given blockade, does this destroy the concept of a blockade in the first place?

[Mayhaw_Morgan]

@Anderson_Geten

You compare a video game about spaceships that shoot each other to a highway.

Do you want to play this game? Because if so, then they aren’t spaceships. They’re collections of pixels on your video monitor and you should stop comparing them to spaceships.

@Anderson_Geten

make some gatecamp and you’ll understand what efforts it requires.

What makes you think I haven’t participated in a gate camp? It’s not hard. I actually have more respect for the [expletive deleted] in Rancer because at least they have to lock the target to interdict it or kill it before it lands and jumps.
Fairy bubbles that automagically stop everyone from warping . . . please . . .

[Anderson_Geten]

@Mayhaw_Morgan

Because if so, then they aren’t spaceships.

and I said “video game about spaceships”.
I don’t want to “play this game”. You use complete out-of-the-point comparison. It’s not a game, it’s just completely useless garbage.

@Mayhaw_Morgan

What makes you think I haven’t participated in a gate camp? It’s not hard.

The fact that you think there is no effort involved in making it.
You obviously have never prepared one in a small corp in NS.

[Mayhaw_Morgan]

@Ramona_McCandless

If [jump freighters] can be almost guarrunteed through any given blockade, does this destroy the concept of a blockade in the first place?

Yes, it does.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Fair point.

Though as has been pointed out, a jumpship without a beacon is a paperweight, and you need to get that ship through.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Mayhaw_Morgan

Running a blockade is a tactical response to a blockade, although it may be a part of a strategy that consists exclusively of running the blockade.

But that’s not what you want. What you want is:

Click warp->win

What we have now is closer to actual dynamic of blockading and blockade running. Where a group of players can put up an effective camp that other players have to either force their way through, slip by using something smaller and faster (known as compromise) or circumvent completely.

@Mayhaw_Morgan

Do you see the difference between what you said and what I said?

Yes i see the difference. I see you’re going to try and argue bull ■■■■ semantics than stick to the topic…again!

@Mayhaw_Morgan

A single ship runs a blockade, because blockade running is a tactic. A single ship shouldn’t be able to interdict all potential blockade runners (i.e. enforce a blockade) because a blockade is a strategy. And, I don’t think attempting to run a gate camp in a well skilled and fitted BLOCKADE RUNNER qualifies as “half assed”.

A single ship CAN blockade a gate. It just won’t be very effective. Like wise simply fitting a ship and pressing ‘jump’ is precisely what i mean by half assed. The bare minimum of preparation and action is to ‘fit a ship and press jump’…

[Mayhaw_Morgan]

@Daichi_Yamato

What you want is:

Click warp->win

No, I want Clickwarp->warp. If the button says “Warp” and you press it, and you don’t warp . . . because . . . it would hurt Daichi Yamato’s feelings and violate his sense of order in the world . . . that’s not a mechanic I can get behind. That’s no bueno.

@Daichi_Yamato

bull ■■■■ semantics

Spare us your feelings. Words have meanings. Get over it.

@Daichi_Yamato

A single ship CAN blockade a gate . . . The bare minimum of preparation and action is to ‘fit a ship and press jump’…

So, the bare minimum of flying from point A to point B should be alts and friends and Tech II ships and sub-warp maneuvering in real-time under cloak, etc., etc., etc. but 1 ship should be able to blockade a gate. That’s the bare minimum for choking out an entire alliance in their own space.
I think you’ve made my point for me, sir. Thank you.

[Abruzzi_Oskold]

I think this points to an inherent flaw in the mechanics of this game. We shouldn’t be using a mod to simply prevent them from warping off.

We should be using a mod to attempt chase them down in warp, shoot them up and knock them out of warp, and close with them and destroy them.
Note: A warp cool down may need to apply.

Might be a bit more engaging then click-lock + F1 thru F(n), then going back to the movie you were watching about dog fighting, or setting up some automated farm in minecraft, which is always more interesting than a gatecamp in this game.

Edit: for word-play

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Mayhaw_Morgan

No, I want Clickwarp->warp. If the button says “Warp” and you press it, and you don’t warp . . . because . . . it would hurt Daichi Yamato’s feelings and violate his sense of order in the world . . . that’s not a mechanic I can get behind. That’s no bueno.

So you want to get rid of warp disruption?

Because it offends you?

@Mayhaw_Morgan

So, the bare minimum of flying from point A to point B should be alts and friends and Tech II ships and sub-warp maneuvering in real-time under cloak, etc., etc., etc. but 1 ship should be able to blockade a gate. That’s the bare minimum for choking out an entire alliance in their own space.

Quote where i said that.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Abruzzi_Oskold

We should be using a mod to attempt chase them down in warp, shoot them up and knock them out of warp, and close with them and destroy them.
Note: A warp cool down may need to apply.

Good luck with that.

I look forward to reading this thread.

[Mayhaw_Morgan]

@Daichi_Yamato

So you want to get rid of warp disruption?

Because it offends you?

Yes, or just make it have a meaningful cost.
No, because it literally makes certain scenarios in the game unplayable.

@Daichi_Yamato

Quote where i said that.

I did. Didn’t you see the quote above what you quoted?

[Dracvlad]

Oh dear…, the joys of moving stuff around in Eve, I did say more but decided to delete it, because… ZZzzzz

DMC is right, it chases players way. Though there are the odd nutter like myself who finds it a challenge, but that is because I have the patience of a saint.

[baloney]

@DeMichael_Crimson

Clearly you just want to destroy the game by chasing players away.

“I’m quitting Eve because my ship isn’t invincible!!”

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Mayhaw_Morgan

Yes, or just make it have a meaningful cost.
No, because it literally makes certain scenarios in the game unplayable.

Warp disruption in it’s many forms already has a meaningful cost. But what else are you suggesting?

@Mayhaw_Morgan

I did. Didn’t you see the quote above what you quoted?

@Daichi_Yamato

The bare minimum of preparation and action is to ‘fit a ship and press jump’…

@Mayhaw_Morgan

So, the bare minimum of flying from point A to point B should be alts and friends and Tech II ships and sub-warp maneuvering in real-time under cloak, etc., etc., etc.

These two are not the same.

So quote me where i said the bare minimum requires alts, and friends, and tech2 ships, sup warp maneuvering…

[DeMichael_Crimson]

@baloney

@DeMichael_Crimson

Clearly you just want to destroy the game by chasing players away.

“I’m quitting Eve because my ship isn’t invincible!!”

Good riddance, and don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

@Daichi_Yamato

So you are still charging at gates without thinking about it.

Killboards, map statistics, alt scouts.

You are trying to make out it’s easy to catch a blockade runner. But that’s clearly not true.

It’s just not impossible and that seems to be what you want. To get through any gate, any time with little effort or planning no matter the effort of the gate campers.

I understand English isn’t your primary language so let me make this perfectly clear for you - I never said anything about charging to gates. You obviously have no clue how I pilot ships so stop posting your incorrect assumptions as factual statements.

Killboards, maps, alt scouts? WTF, you’ll post anything in the hope that something will validate your incorrect interpretation of what I actually stated.

So you don’t care about balance, just want to keep your super easy ‘god mode’ ability to destroy everything with the push of a single button.

[Abruzzi_Oskold]

@Daichi_Yamato

Good luck with that.

I look forward to reading this thread.

I guess it is kind of asking for Japanese Kobe steak when all that is available is ground possum.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@DeMichael_Crimson

I understand English isn’t your primary language so let me make this perfectly clear for you - I never said anything about charging to gates. You obviously have no clue how I pilot ships so stop posting your incorrect assumptions as factual statements.

It’s not about interdiction heading towards a gate or away from a gate? Then what is it?

Why don’t you tell us how you do fly and why you have a problem with interdiction and we can go over what you’re doing wrong.

@DeMichael_Crimson

Killboards, maps, alt scouts? WTF, you’ll post anything in the hope that something will validate your incorrect interpretation of what I actually stated.

These are tools you can use to make your travel safer. Not that dissimilar to what smugglers use in film and probably real life.

Isn’t that what you wanted? Smuggling like a smuggler using a smuggler’s ship?

@DeMichael_Crimson

So you don’t care about balance, just want to keep your super easy ‘god mode’ ability to destroy everything with the push of a single button.

Is what the op is asking for. A super easy and safe way to slip through everything at the press of a button.