Fair, but IIRC most of those companies are the REASON we’re having the conversation in the first place, yeah? With the amount of controversy surrounding the issue at this point, CCP should be on notice that they need to be EXTREMELY careful here. Again, I really have no idea how the whole thing will shake out. Mostly just musing right now.
Kinda irrelevant that the game is 18+ in Korea.
Doesn’t change that fact, that in other parts of the world the game is rated for minors.
But yes, Korean law is indeed more strict regarding gaming and online presence. Like you need to register accounts using your social security number etc.
Official EVE Raffle/Casino? Is THIS what we need now? People got banned and EULA got changed because of stuff like this. I’m lacking non-obscene words to express myself right now…
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Fearless.
Directly, yes. And that step of removal’s a useful fig leaf in terms of legal cover… but you and I both know how this plays out: the gamblers need ISK to keep gambling, so they buy PLEX w/$$$, and sell the PLEX for ISK.
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With PLEX and it is bought by RL money
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Again, this separation doesn’t exist in EVE because of the PLEX market. CCP knows perfectly well (and is likely counting on the fact) that gambling addicts can and will buy ISK for lottery tickets via the PLEX market. You can guarantee that this will be pointed out in court and CCP’s “only ISK” pretense is going to look pretty flimsy.
Just tested it on the test server. The hypercores are only needed to put an item up for raffle, with the amount of cores needed scaling with the total isk value of all the “tickets” to be sold. To buy tickets you only need isk. The number of tickets and the cost of each is determined by the seller.
Basically, it’s a raffle system with two points of note. First, CCP gets a cut through the sale of Hypercores (which can be bought from the NES). Second, it’s harder to scam people with it.
I’m going to have to side with the white nights on this one. This is nothing compared to being able to buy plex for money. So, if you’re cool with that, there’s no reason to get upset about this.
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We have no idea what the CSM thought about this, so don’t go jumping to conclusions.
Actually, strike that. This is CLEARLY Olmeca’s fault. Blame him.
Corpmate reckons: “If only there was an AT to place bets on now… QQ”
Just shows the real interest is money grabs, not fixing what is broken. Greed Is Good all over again. My people are why I continue to play the game, but I sure as ■■■■ won’t be going to Iceland next year as I had planned. Left EvE Vegas with a glimmer of hope, but seeing dev time allocated to something like this is just trashy beyond measure. A focus on NPE is needed and being addressed, null needs a shakeup via sov mechanics changes, space needs to be worth fighting for, raffles to enrich the rich can go die in a fire. First thing I would do is drop an Etana hull for 1T in raffle nodes. This is stupid. CCP just found another siphon for those of us who actually make good IRL money.
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I do, and it wasn’t really a comparable situation. That outrage was over items that, while technically cash shop nonsense, were purely aesthetic and had zero in-game effect. What CCP is doing here is crossing a far more important line and literally implementing player-made lootboxes in the F2P cash shop with real in-game effects.
Basically what I’m getting is if you sell a ship for say 10 hypercores at 10m each, the seller will recieve 100m, and if 10 people each buy 1 hypernode one person recieves the ship and the rest get nothing.
It’s not even close to lootboxes, it’s just a raffle
Puchasing the raffle tickets, ie: from the guy putting up the raffle, is done w/ISK.
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Once more, it is done with RL cash because gambling addicts can and will buy ISK via the PLEX market to fund their gambling addiction. CCP knows this and is almost certainly hoping this will happen so that their revenue from the system increases.
Sorry for not perfect english.
CCP does not fix(for years!):
- sovereignty
- faction wars
- capitals
- mass MJD
- lots of broken ships like griffin navy
They change autocannons for 3% after 5+ years after throw them into trash. They change warp speed after extinction of most roam players(it is so fun to roam hundreds systems on BC\BS). And broke angel ships right after that even more.
They made only simple and cheap changes for last years. In game where a lots of broken core mechanics.
Because all their powers was used for what does really matters. Thanks CCP for completly ruin my faith in humans.
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Raffles are generally considered to be gambling in many jurisdictions, as such CCP may be opening themselves up to all kinds of problems in the legal sense, especially when it comes to licencing and underage gambling.
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If you care about this game, you should want the company who produces it to make money so they can keep on developing the game. Things like this make it possible for them to fund things that don’t make them any money, like balance changes. That’s why I don’t get bent out of shape when they do stuff like this. It’s providing a new revenue stream, it’s not require to play the game, and folks can choose to participate.
Honestly, this is the kind of monetization we should be okay with. It’s not gold ammo or loot boxes.
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After the first knee-jerk, I think we finally figured out that only putting up the orders costs Hypercores. Not that the dev blog made it super clear.
Anyway, it still leaves a few controversial points.
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How do we feel about having yet another game exposing gambling mechanics towards minors (rated T and Pegi 12). Are CCP not better than that?
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Given one can buy ISK with PLEX, then this becomes a kinda grey area. Given laws are varying and not always clear, an argument can still be made this is just a lootbox with a few more steps.
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True. although, counterpoint:
The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of (…) items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (…) or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP’s proprietary rights in the Game.
I invoke the use of the catch all rubber paragraph 