Irrational, Unprofitable Prices and BP Changes

The issue is that, then, there will be a real issue with building faction ships.

Before, the price of the BPC installation was a part of the price in minerals. The EIV of the BP being the sum of the required materials, it basically means in Jita it added 10% to the installation manufacturing cost of the material, so something like +10M for a 500M BPC . So the cost of building in Jita was basically the same (not exactly but close) as the cost of building somewhere else, so most of the time you would save money (hauling cost) by building it in Jita.
Now, since the EIV will increase, it also means the taxes will, basically since most of the cost will be in the mats. So it means, instead of buying the intermediate items, you rather produce them yourself otherwise there will be the additional cost of moving them from the manufacturing place, THEN again to YOUR manufacturing place, which costs volume, that is additional money.

Not sure if itā€™s good or bad, but definitely youā€™d rather build your own mats if you want to sell faction or pirat ships (or even T1 BS)

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why would you even build the ships, if you produce those mats that cost untold billions?

Why would any one buy a Leshak for 2 billion? why would any one buy a Vedmak for 300-400milion?
and so onā€¦

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because they donā€™t cost billions.

Yes CCP let the Icelandic College Professor go years ago. There has not been anyone properly trained in economics running the in game economy for years. CCP Rat was the guy that drove Dust 514 economy into the ground and then was handed Eveā€™s economy/resource balance. So trash in, trash out.

The game needs an educated experienced economics professional team running the economy.

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Indeed literally xD

I donā€™t knowā€¦this economy seems like itā€™s already well and truly ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– . I donā€™t see how new players can even hope to gain any kind of a foothold. The inflation is insane. It seems like they only did this scarcity horseshit to benefit themselves by milking the super whales who buy plex by the hundreds of dollars at a time. Iā€™m tempted just to sell all my bpoā€™s. And most of them are fully researched. I donā€™t need a second job and thatā€™s what industry has turned into.

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OK, mail me a price list.

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Thatā€™s what industry has always been. If you want to make a profit, you need to ensure your steps in the process. This needs rigor and can mean the loss of your investment, just like a job.

This image is at least 10 years old, Trading 102: Location, Location, Location | k162space

The trading meta changed a lot since then

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Not so much, itā€™s still a matter of buying low and selling high and people are still willing to pay for convenience.

:face_with_hand_over_mouth:
Will it truly?

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Depends on how you define it.

By one definition there is no scarcity - with 8000 systems in New Eden resources are still effectively infinite but they are a lot more spread out and regions are no longer self-sufficient - you either need to travel or trade.

If your definition requires infinite resources delivered to your doorstep and self-sufficiency - I believe those days are gone for good.

I am a not too old industrialist and I am producing the Small Tractor Beam I which is needed to produce the Mobile Tractor Unit, the latter with total costs @ 5.8m. Profit margin 1.2 results in almost 7m sales price, exactly at what they re sold at Jita atm. If I can sell them elsewhere in our region or e. g. in Dodixie, the prices is around 8m. Just as one example.

Besides this, it is easily possible to sell items far under production costs / market prices if you can aquire them as used goods for half or a quarter or even a tenth of their regular price. People are too lazy to collect and reship their items to Jita. I bought 15 covetors for 25m each yesterday.

Additionally, with regard to some product groups in the Tech I tier. There is just plenty to much stuff available because it is so simple to produce it.

I recommend to analyze the market(s) precisely and make a good spreadsheet on your own.

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What I donā€™t get is if you mine yourself wouldnā€™t it be more lucrative to just sell raw materials if what you build cost less then what itā€™s made of?

Itā€™s strange to consider your mats ā€˜freeā€™ just because youā€™ve mined them. Youā€™ve spent your time, which you couldā€™ve used to rat, for example, getting much more ISK per hour.

So if you are building just for the fun of building, itā€™s fine. Otherwise you are loosing money.

Gila is 353kk in Jita
Welcome to the new reality

The minerals i mine are free so these ship cost changes have not much effect.

Buy plex to make things and the sell at a loss.

Eve is a game, 50% of eve industry is loss making subsidised by plex.

The one way to make true profit in eve industry is to find a slither of profit ie, 3% then n+1 account it. If it covers plex cost then you will make tnā€™s, as you can just n+1 then sell sp too. Your only limit will be market demand but even if you cap it just find another line.

Most trillion isk players are not smart or anything they just find something that makes okish isk then multi box the hell out of it. There in eve industry experience has little to no real world application.

Eve in 2021 is a low iq, brain dead n+1 affair. You missed the boat, pretty 2010 was cool, new ideas where every blue sky thought was not declared an immediate exploit.

Tl;Dr, even the smallest profit margins in eve will make you tnā€™s if you multi box enough accounts.

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