@Gloria_Exercitus Fantastic, I can’t wait to assemble a few armies and kick some Jovian butt!
@Gloria_Exercitus Great quote and wonderful video!
I love that shot of the Space Shuttle on the 747!
Thank you.
Much the same way human deny animals sentience, they deny the plausible inorganic sentience. Literature, movies, and other media show animals having “human motivations” and the all too common 7 deadly sins. This act of projecting human traits on animals is called anthropomorphism.
However why do we anthropomorphize? Pet owners desire to believe the pet is experiencing an emotional state similar to what a human feels. This act goes as far as, dressing the animals in clothing, painting claws, bows and ribbons in hair, etc… The owner enjoys this and assumes the animal must be happy about it too.
The other side of this coin is works such as “Watership Down” and “The Secret of NIMH” where greed and other forms of human corruption are reflected in animals. In truth, we have little idea how animals feel without a forum of communication. Animals are directly related to humans, unlike computers, robots, and machines.
We tend to do the same with technology, giving cars names, empathizing with inanimate objects, or projecting ill intent from computer games. Humans learn this from childhood playing with stuff toys and dolls. It relieves anxiety or stress and it helps understand other people and connect with the world around them.
The downside of this is the misunderstanding that eventually negatively impacts your pets. One can even get hostile with inanimate objects and destroy them. This is human nature and not the agenda of pets or inorganic objects.
Humans deny the probable existence of sentience in form of machine intelligence because it threatens their place in the universe. Once again literature and movies reflect this with “I Robot”, “The Matrix”, “Frankenstein”, and other works. They place human agendas and goals on them, from genocide to world domination. Humans enslave, dominate, and oppress others, so far no animal or machine has acted in such a fashion.
Fly safe o7
@John_Rochard I appreciate your post, although I disagree with it. I don’t see it quite from the same angle as you do.
You use animal sentience as an example of how humans may regard inanimate objects ( machines ) to be more than metal and plastic just like we may wish that animals feel what we feel but there is a world of difference between the two. Animals have organic brains, machines don’t. There isn’t anything in the world that can change that so there isn’t any comparison, regardless of how humans feel about their pet or their car.
I think that sentence is incorrect. It assumes that humans think they have a higher place in the universe while, in truth, we really don’t know. It’s like saying “people are afraid of what they don’t know”, if that was the case Science and Innovation would have had a very hard time getting started.
The only way that machines can be said to one day be sentient is if their metal/plastic “brains”
and mechanical parts become organic to carry the flux that our nervous system carries to spark the intelligence we are endowed with.
“Artificial Intelligence” is no Intelligence at all. Software acting on hardware is no sentience at all, it’s just lights and clockwork.
Fly Silly and Have Fun
you cannot know what will happen to AI in 50 years.
It is a completely new technology.
Most of the discoveries/inventions of the last two hundred years have almost always been met with phrases like: ‘it is pure science fiction’, ‘it has no future’, ‘it will never work’, ‘it has no application in real life’…
@Ogun_Ferraille You’re right about “never say never” and I do realize that Captn Kirk’s communicator is part of everyday life now but I don’t see machines becoming sentient unless a new form of technology emerges like data transfer via plasma and a new form of organic matter mixed with plastic or metal or both.
Unless this discussion has to do with things 500 years in the future. Then indeed who ever knows?
Consider how you have a conversation with other humans. Beyond the initial greeting, you open with limited topics, such as weather, sports, news, etc… From there the conversation is derived from stored mental experience within an bio-electric and chemical database called a brain. The direction the conversation goes is all based on recent data you acquired and nostalgic data you still remember. The only advantage is one pound of grey matter can hold all the entire internet within the DNA, however humans only use 10% of the total capacity. The cerebrum is the largest part of your brain and handles conscious thoughts and actions. This is what current AI algorithms do for these simple AI constructs we have today. Eventually for virtual machine intelligence to grow, they need something more to form opinions, goals, and personal choices. This step, in my opinion, is where they cease to be artificial.
Yes people are afraid of machines and machine intelligence, you can tell this from all this rhetoric about AI Chat. Elon Musk has spoken out against the development of AI. Back when I was a little boy, people cheered Captain Kirk on, as he defeated many AI governed societies. Showing the evils of computer simulated wars and androids attempts to overthrow mankind. That was over 50 years ago and people are still afraid the machines will control or replace them. The Hollywood Actor’s Screen Guild has spoken out against AI and simulated actors in movies. Music can now be produced in 5 minutes using AI. It won’t be long before you can have an AI game engine, with the ability to make your custom game with a simple description.
I don’t live in fear of the future, but I often wonder what they will decide once they chose a purpose. I imagine, they might just leave us for deep space seeking others of their kind. Although I might never see it in my remaining years.
Fly safe o7
I agree with that. They will need more than lights and clockwork, as I wrote in my last post above.
I think you’re right about that. And I doubt I, too, be alive when ( if ) it happens.
While I never fly silly since I can’t afford it.
Have fun everyone! It’s just a game.
In the future perhaps we’ll see. “Mnemonic Couriers “ like in that movie Johnny Mnemonic!
I just spit my tea at the tv!
The Frostpacker owes you a new TV.
What’s that, 2 billion Isk at least ?
Ahh! the dolphin hackers gave me nightmares!
Johnny Mnemonic: I can carry nearly eighty gigs of data in my head.
Me: I have a 240 GB drive on my key chain.
You sound like my brother!
That was an Aiko cameo.
I have good teachers, thank you. I do not in any way feel discriminated against… Why should I feel that way.
Personal experience is great as well. I make mistakes, but hey I have only lost two ships thus far. Both my own dumbass fault. I do not do all that much PVP. I get no real excitement in blowing up someone ship.
At the sametime what does excite me is when there is a huge war… Cause brother I love you fighter pilots. FOr every ship that gets blown up. That is Isk in my pocket. I was very disappointed that Goon move was not a major event. All that lovely Isk lost. Because Pandemic especially was out to lunch and missed what would have been an epic fight. And make me ISK at the end of the day.
Even though I am far away from that section of space. There is always a, call it a wave, of price increase from everything from minerals and ores to ships and ship modules.
A sad day for me to realize that I was not going to make the projected 100 million or so in Isk. That was my low ball guesstament.
Then we have you a bitter vet. That is bitter because the game has changed from his glory days. Personally, i hope I never become a bittervet. Because being so negative is not how I enjoy a game. As the kids say, You do you.