I made a Praxis that I have used, then wanted to try out a Raven to compare it. In-game ship-fitter shows Raven have higher missile DPS, but in playing with them the Raven does NOT outdamage the Praxis. The Praxis does in fact better at the Winter event then the Raven.
Raven
DPS 840 (759/81), 123647 ehp, 141 m7s, cap 6:48, RHM + nos
Any idea what is going on? Is it because the missiles bonuses on the Raven does not help much, ending up with the damage bonus on the Praxis ending up being more effective?..
Do these look like the right fits? The Raven definitely looks wrong, it is very very cap hungry as is.
[Praxis, Praxis check]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
X-Large C5-L Compact Shield Booster
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Peripheral Compact Target Painter
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Large Cap Battery II
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
āArbalestā Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Praetor I x4
[Raven, Raven test]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Large EM Shield Reinforcer II
Yeah, I got hung up on the extender bonus of the Raven, and it kinda went a bit far.
When that said, returning player since 2016, so yeah, its been a while
The Raven is kinda strange, even with a huge bonus to extenders, few fits use them, so the whole ships seems ābugedā to me. When a ship has a certain bonus, but (many) people do not use those bonuses, something is wrong.
And yes, looks like the ship got a cap problemā¦
Back when I played in 2016, I used EFT. When I saw the ingame fitting was a lot better, I just used it. My bad. Pyfa is the thing now?
To me (a noob) it looks like the Raven will only excel at large targets, for small targets its bonuses does not translate well to ingame damage. But I may very well be wrong.
Is there any Eve fitting video out that goes into details on all the aspects/things to keep in mind? Since just numbers in a fitting tool does NOT tell the whole story.
PyFa is like 34145bazillion times better than the ingame fitting tool. However, for beginners that only want to see if a fit can be used or how much tank/damage (in theory) a fit does, itās sufficient to simulate ingame. But it lacks most advanced features that PyFa offers.
My impression with the Raven was that it just spammed missiles, but they did too low damage vs the Praxis. And yes I know, I had missed something in my Raven fit, so it had less tracking then the Praxis.
I rather prefer the +raw damage of the Praxis over the RoF bonus on the Raven. Only thing is I do NOT like the looks of the Praxis and its so slowā¦
That role bonus has been added some time ago to make all battleships (aside from the Praxis) a bit harder to kill, so itās not really unique to the Raven.
The big armor plate bonus and even bigger shield extender bonus make up for the fact that batlleships use the same plates and extenders that many cruisers do, and while oversizing extenders is commonly done on subcaps, battleships cannot use oversized extenders as capital extenders donāt fit, so they got a bigger shield extender role bonus instead.
(I agree itās a bit confusing that these balancing changes now show in the list of role bonuses of all battleships.)
Praxis is simply OP among the T1 Battleships. There are only a few other T1 BS that can excel over the Praxis (and even then, only in certain specific scenarios). SoCT ships in general are too powerful for what they offer and what they cost. I highly doubt you can come up with a Raven fit that can compete against a simple Bread&Butter Praxis for the Winter Event Sites.
Well, you can do it in a Raven. Just not as fast/convenient as in a Praxis. Itās a game after all, fly what you like the most, itās the fun spending your time that is important.
Another Option is to upgrade to a Raven Navy Issue, that can compete with the Praxis and looks like the Raven. Itās just a bit more expensive as a hull. -_-
Pve can break down to right tools for the job. And personal preferences.
I donāt run these events so not sure what is good. going with what feels better usually a good start though.
Ravens can be nice level 4 runners when event over. I also had lots of time in 0.0 belt runs with them and no complaints there.
An some bits about the tanking bonuesā¦I eye those as good on longer transits when I move from time to time. For travel fits one can make out better going buffer/ passive fit.
Campers lean to alpha that will out dps active tanks cycles. And cap drainers if they land them can kill active tank quickly.
Buffer has the ship a bit more chewy to grind through to maybe help. I just refit to more active when destination is reached.
