Keeping PvE players in EVE

EVE PVE players were originally given content mainly to bring them in as cannon fodder for ganking types, and secondarily as cash generators and possible future PVP players. Now there is competition between the powers that be over whether their main purpose is the cash or the cannon fodder.

The original creators of the game were basically a pack of hyenas who created a theme park centered on exactly what you would expect a pack of hyenas to center a theme park on…grief, violence, destruction and plunder…and they dressed it up as adventure, honor, creation and comradery. Its pretty much the same thing you get at the military recruitement center…BS piled on BS for the sake of using and abusing you for the pleasure of a few…and sadly, most people are still too dim to do anything but judge a book by its cover.

So they why are you here? Why did you join the game, or stay when you understood what it really was?

I have my reasons, but I am not telling.

Edit: Okay, I will tell you ONE of them.

Know thy enemy.

Haha, of course you aren’t.

Whatever that was supposed to mean.

I will let you in on a secret: You won’t divine a person’s hidden motives in less than a minute’s thinking time. Nor will you determine if they have none with decent accuracy.

Slow your roll. Take your time. You will get better results.

After all, you are a busy professional who is compiling intelligence on the enemy for future maneuvers against them, aren’t you?

You are here on a very important mission to make the world a better place. I understand that. Here, in EVE Online. Not somewhere tangible of course, where there would be risk and repercussions to your actions, but here, in a video game’s forums.

I understand. Keep up the good fight, I guess?

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Not surprised you did not take my advice to slow down and think for a bit. But this is why you keep getting so many wrong answers.

Not that you care. I know my enemy pretty well. You are in it for instant gratification, and what gives it to you is being annoying to others.

Truth be told I am actually banned from the forums I would rather be posting at. But I learned a lot about scummy human behavior there too.

Me. I joined the game because its a video game. Why do some players pushing RL mess in a video game? They are just depressing themselves.

So you joined EVE, in order to understand your enemy??

If you have “enemies” in video games (and I mean on an existential level, and not just those who are enemies within the scope of the game’s environment, e.g. gankers and anti-gankers, who can otherwise get along just fine), then you…actually, you know what? I’d be terrified to meet you in real life.

That ■■■■ ain’t normal.

I’m guessing that being banned from various venues is a common theme with you.

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Your off-base and inaccurate, hasty and presumtive attempts to analyze me are as wrong as they are off topic.

It’s not about “wrong or right” with you, like it would be for a discussion about mining yields, war fees, or whatever else that’s actually part of the game.

What it is with you is relevant or not relevant.

You’ve pretty much told us that you’re using EVE as your battleground to wage war against some sort of hidden, ever-present “enemies” in a conflict that goes way beyond the scope of this game.

Once again, the fact that you have this world view, and have chosen a fairly obscure video game as the setting for your struggle, is abjectly terrifying for the rest of us.

You see, if you took a bunch of polar opposites from this game, let’s say Aiko, Githany, Nana, and me, all of us could, outside of this game, go out and have a few beers and have fun and enjoy each other’s company. In a similar situation with you, my expectation is that after the first sip, I’d wake up chained to a radiator with a disembodied voice from a crackling speaker telling me that it’s “time to pay the piper.”

This is the public image you’ve created for yourself here.

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all this suffering …
meanwhile im pew pew kaboom
oh boy eve is great :partying_face:

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PvE content exists because it enables conflict.

This game is about player interaction and conflict, and if you’re doing PvE, about avoiding that conflict.

Once upon a time I played a game called RuneScape. A Medieval fantasy mmorpg where people train skills, do quests and fight monsters. In this game, there was an area I particularly enjoyed: the wilderness. In there people were allowed to attack and kill eachother, and most loot would drop on death.

I enjoyed it for several reasons:

  • interacting with players as potential enemies but also potential allies is more interesting and thrilling than scripted npcs - especially when players can potentially turn on you and kill you for loot at any time
  • more importantly, I loved the cat and mouse game in which I was the mouse mining runite ore (very expensive at the time) while avoiding the cats: the hunters looking for players like me.

Without that PvE content in that PvP part of the game, the playstyle I enjoyed didn’t exist.

And then RuneScape messed up that playstyle with various means (added the same resources easily accessible in non-PvP areas amongst others), and I found EVE which is a whole universe of exactly the playstyle I was looking for: potential player interaction at all times, whether you’re cat or mouse.

You seem to think that people don’t like to play a game of cat and mouse where they choose to be a mouse. Where players choose the thrill of being hunted by a pack of hyenas.

Both playstyles are a lot of fun, hunter and hunted.

And CCP did a good job implementing both playstyles.

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Why do anybody need a carbon copy of real life anyway?

I don’t go about my day to day worried about someone trying to kill me for my purse. In real life it is possible, but unlikely enough I don’t have to be concerned. In game it is expected because of the game’s premise. If I want to keep my stuff I have to take steps, myself, to safeguard it.

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Look at them people outside. They’re watchin’ ya. Waitin’ for you to make a mistake so they could murder ya and take yer stuff. And then the law enforcement wants them to make a mistake so they could find them and take their stuff. Its all about stuff. Takin’ stuff and not givin’ it away

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I don’t think they are.

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Don’t need to do this. Just create a religion. it’s a legal and safest way to rob people.