they don’t need to dscan you. They have many mission sites bookmarked, and those are in limited number so they can easilty warp to you even though you don’t see the probes. Happened to me once.
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I had no idea that missions used the same deadspace sites over again - good tip!
Thanks Anderson!!
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Maybe it’s in small quantities because nm- is small and grids can’t overlap.
Remember that deadspace pockets can be much bigger than a grid. Sometimes you can warp like 10 000 km away from the mission beacon and still land on the first gate.
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My current High Sec mining mission fleet and the missions I use them for are listed below.
L4 Gas Venture
• Gas Injections
• Like Drones to a Cloud
L4 Ice Retriever (w/Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I)
• Cheap Chills
• Ice Installation
L4 Ore Retriever
• Not Gneiss at All
L4 Ore Porpoise
• Arisite Envy
• Feeding the Giant
• Geodite and Gemology
As a general rule I will regularly decline the ‘Mother Lode’ mission and on the off chance I get it twice in a row I will just go do something else while waiting out the cool down on the penalty for declining a mission twice in four hours.
For the Null-sec missions when you’re not Blue to the regulars in the area it is most definitely NOT a ‘safe’ place to be AFK mining. Constant D-Scanning and looking for Combat Probes is the key to survival especially when you can’t see who is in Local anymore, if the Combat Probes get close (say 4au) then it’s time to start your exit strategy. It’s also super helpful to have some warp-to pings around the Stations in case of Bubbles.
in null, you need :
- A deep safe, that is further than 30 AU I think from a celestial.
- an insta undock out of grid, if possible in the AU range of the station to not be dscaned easily.
- one or more insta docks
- one or more pings on the station out of grid in order to check for bubble on the station.
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This guide is great- and I haven’t found this level of detail in other location. One area I’m struggling is what to buy with LP. I realize the market is constantly changing- and that people may not want to share their BEST secrets. But I’m currently making about 400 isk per LP - so ANY tips to get that higher would be greatly appreciated.
Hey @Complex_Math - hopefully Anderson’s link was helpful? That site is a super reference for LP conversion.
When you’re using the site and have found the Corp you’re gaining LP for I find it useful to sort by ‘isk/lp’ and then take a look at the ‘5% Volume’ column. Obviously items with more ‘isk/lp’ are better but if they don’t sell through quickly you may not see that isk very fast, sometimes it’s a wise choice to go for the items with less ‘isk/lp’ but that are selling more often.
Thanks. The link was very helpful.
I’m really bad at making isk in this game, I’m hoping the level 4 missions will be appropriate for someone with my skill level.
Nice fits 
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Thanks @Mark_Octavius - can’t take all the credit though there are lots of solid references out there for fits and fitting discussions.
My current High Sec mining mission fleet and the missions I use them for are listed below.
L4 Gas Venture
• Gas Injections
• Like Drones to a Cloud
L4 Ice Retriever (w/Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I)
• Cheap Chills
• Ice Installation
L4 Ore Retriever
• Not Gneiss at All
L4 Ore Porpoise
• Arisite Envy
• Feeding the Giant
• Geodite and Gemology
As a general rule I will regularly decline the ‘Mother Lode’ mission and on the off chance I get it twice in a row I will just go do something else while waiting out the cool down on the penalty for declining a mission twice in four hours.
For the Null-sec missions when you’re not Blue to the regulars in the area it is most definitely NOT a ‘safe’ place to be AFK mining. Constant D-Scanning and looking for Combat Probes is the key to survival. If the Combat Probes get close (say 4au) then it’s time to start your exit strategy.
It’s also super helpful to have some warp-to pings around the Stations in case of Bubbles.
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Null-sec missions is very profitable, fly there and make them.
My current High Sec mining mission fleet and the missions I use them for are listed below.
L4 Gas Venture
• Gas Injections
• Like Drones to a Cloud
L4 Ice Retriever (w/Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I)
• Cheap Chills
• Ice Installation
L4 Ore Retriever
• Not Gneiss at All
L4 Ore Porpoise
• Arisite Envy
• Feeding the Giant
• Geodite and Gemology
As a general rule I will regularly decline the ‘Mother Lode’ mission and on the off chance I get it twice in a row I will just go do something else while waiting out the cool down on the penalty for declining a mission twice in four hours.
For the Null-sec missions when you’re not Blue to the regulars in the area it is most definitely NOT a ‘safe’ place to be AFK mining. Constant D-Scanning and looking for Combat Probes is the key to survival. If the Combat Probes get close (say 4au) then it’s time to start your exit strategy.
It’s also super helpful to have some warp-to pings around the Stations in case of Bubbles.
My current High Sec mining mission fleet and the missions I use them for are listed below.
L4 Gas Venture
• Gas Injections
• Like Drones to a Cloud
L4 Ice Retriever (w/Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I)
• Cheap Chills
• Ice Installation
L4 Ore Retriever
• Not Gneiss at All
L4 Ore Porpoise
• Arisite Envy
• Feeding the Giant
• Geodite and Gemology
As a general rule I will regularly decline the ‘Mother Lode’ mission and on the off chance I get it twice in a row I will just go do something else while waiting out the cool down on the penalty for declining a mission twice in four hours.
For the Null-sec missions when you’re not Blue to the regulars in the area it is most definitely NOT a ‘safe’ place to be AFK mining. Constant D-Scanning and looking for Combat Probes is the key to survival. If the Combat Probes get close (say 4au) then it’s time to start your exit strategy.
It’s also super helpful to have some warp-to pings around the Stations in case of Bubbles.
Two questions:
I haven’t done any mining missions in ages (since I had ~5 or 6M SP, so when I was a newbie). Or any mining at all, tbh. What kind of ISK/hour can one expect for these?
Also:
Just as a helpful note, try declining two in a row while having the agent’s info window open, showing your standings. You’ll be surprised at how little standings you lose when you do this. If that’s the only instance where you would turn the mission down, you’ll find you can safely turn it down and not hurt your standings at all.
Hey @Tatanka_Startamer there’s a little blurb about income in the OP up there somewhere:
Income
• If you are near the keyboard and dock as soon as the ice/gas/ore is mined out, you can do about 3 missions an hour. In High-Sec, a mission gives 1.8M ISK and 4.5K LP on average and depending on whose Loyalty Points you’re getting this can convert into over 40M/hour. In NPC nullsec, working for a Pirate Faction you can get up to 80M/hour.
Thanks! It’s been long enough since that was posted, I forgot about it.
Hello everyone!
Wanted to post a few quick notes and advice to enhance this thread, I got a really nice Eve mail today from a thread browser who wanted to get involved in Level 4 mining missions.
The main questions involved ship selection. For instance, this gentleman wanted to use a Prospect for doing some of the missions, especially the gas mining ones. Remember, the gas harvesting Level 4s are 4250m3, perfect for a Venture. Also recall that “Like Drones to a Cloud” has drones that must be killed. You will need tank and spank, something a Prospect cannot provide. Of course, a Prospect is perfectly fine for “Gas Injections”, but honestly, the Venture is fine. The other missions will also spawn random system rats so you will need some offense.
You can literally do everything in this thread handily with one Endurance and one Venture. The Endurance can literally mine ice and rocks (with drones) almost at Procurer yield levels. Simply swap the mining gear before undocking. The Endurance is far more agile and adaptable than a Procurer. I always decline the big ore missions and stick to gas, ice, and “Not Gneiss at All” (21k).
If you haven’t discovered the Endurance, please take a look. It’s one of the most versatile small ships in Eve. It can tank, spank, haul a metric crapload of ore (especially compressed), is fast, and can (kind of) warp cloaked…making it VERY hard to catch. You can run L1 missions and even clear cosmic anomalies (especially Drone Assembly - veldspar baby) with drones and mine out the ore in almost complete safety, all on one platform. Keep in mind Mining Frigate is exactly HALF the train of Mining Barge. I have two Endurance that I bought off the market the day it was released, making them two of the very first ever produced, and they have paid for themselves handily, without really ever being threatened.
FYI the single best use I have found for the Prospect - SCF (small cargo freighter) - fit up two Inertia Stabs, two Cargo Expanders, and hyperspatial rigs. You get a fast, cloaky cargo boat that can haul around 300m3 of bulk cargo and 10k m3 of gas, ore, or ice. - in almost total safety.
If anyone wants to discuss L4 mining, expedition frigs, or Eve in general I’m always available in game!
Have a great day and #besafe
/msd
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