Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

No the lesson of EvE is, is it really worth paying for?

And the answer is No. So either people play in null or play Alpha.

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^this

Is what voids the original “arguments”. But I don’t just discard the authors because it is human nature.

But hey… it’s the forums. Everyone is entitled to change mind and perspective.

I’d suggest to those that won’t adapt to wait a bit. Maybe stay for a cpl months even with minimum assets. At least we captured attention, now it’s time to deliver.

After 300 posts IN THIS THREAD alone of rubbish, you can’t talk about being taken seriously

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I’ll eventually be like others and ignore you, because you are the most toxic thing here.

But yea, I’m talking about you. Your prejudice is so intense that its all consuming (like all prejudice) and you cant even see how its hurting you. A supposedly grown man sitting in front a device spewing crap at the internet over a video game you dont like made by a company you dispise. Its pitiful.

You were naive to celebrate the blackout. Thats no one elses fault but yours.

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Yes I was I thought CCP was going to take control of their own game. I was wrong, Null won.

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i wonder how the author of the post you cited feels about doing covert hotdrops in wormhole space

oh wait

I have researched that in 2016 approx 75% of player base is in hi sec, feel free to let me know if that has changed.

As far as I can see the hi sec community are reasonably happy which I feel is enough to support the game if lots of Sov pilots desub, Due to the duration of BO so far and info on when it is ending being scarce I am led to believe this was done by CCP to “reset” Sov space where the people having difficulty can clear out and the ones with a solid plan stay and prosper regardless of any mechanic.

I’m from NPC null so I understand that my perspective is going to be wildly different from the Sov guys. I still think there is a game to play in Sov for the highly skilled and resourceful who have time to play and I think that many smaller alliances might join together and form bigger alliances.

I do hope CCP are true to their word and they carefully analyse data and come up with good Sov and capital jump mechanics which will promote some good pvp.

The days of sov being easy are over, it will take some adapting but this seems to be permanent.

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Hi there CCP.

So I guess your money masters in Korea finally beat some sense into you. Great news!

So I just wanted to drop in while I take a break from BL3 and let you know that, I do not care!!! That’s right broskis, when those of us who despised your pandering to some ADHD sperglords on Reddit with your “Chaos”; who said we would not up our accounts; well your tame Reddit trollbois jumped all over it, told us we were not wanted that the game was better with us gone.

How does that crow taste Failmar? Cause my man, it is not going to get better for you. Personally it will be a cold day in hell when I pay to play your game again. After a total of what, 14 years of play you finally managed to make winning EVE easy.

If I was you, I would go check that Golden Parachute agreement and see if it includes self inflicted failure.

#PermaUnsubbed

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Send all your stuff to me.

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Haha your tantrum is amazing after all the crap you spewed about everyone else. Loving it. A+ will read again.

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Sounds like you were terrible at eve and frequently lost but w/e, k thx bye o/

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I recently resubbed 2 accounts after reading about Blackout and the upcoming chaos era. I loved that idea. So I think did many others. So hearing it’s now being reversed is hugely disappointing.

CCP you need to have more faith in your vision; EVE is supposed to be hardcore, but for a long time it seems to me that the safest place to be, with the highest ISK rewards, is null. Krab mine run endless anomalies in near perfect safety for the highest bounties and best ores. Oh and asset safety just in case. That is not what Null was supposed to be.

In my opinion, removal of local was a great start. You should have followed it up with removal of free intel from the API, removal of Fozzie sov, removal of asset safety, reduced caps on corporation and alliance numbers, bringing the nerfbat to Rorquals caps and titans.

The very harshness of EVE is what made it unique and drew players in. Bring it back!

FFS CCP, HTFU.

Also, great to see CCP try to stifle debate on this fail by locking any new thread on the subject. Not.

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Now I have to ask again my question to everyone who liked the blackout, came back for it and are now sad:

Why don’t you live in the WH? Then there would also be more content in the WH…
Guesses, which there were so far here in the forum and also elsewhere frequently:
Is it because the WH residents are shooting back?
Is it not to be a F1 drone and it depends on the abilities of everyone?
Is it because you can’t drop your opponent with cynos and that scout and is an extremely important point?

Who has overlooked it: At the Fanfest Berlin the Dev’s said there will be more changes to the local. That will, hopefully, satisfy pro and contra positions to the blackout.

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Imo T3Cs should be nerfed to hell. Either remove nullifying and cov op leaving power or remove most of dps and make it buffing, uncatchable command ship

Just too late. Too many people has seen there´s other games out there, even other life out there.

Not even a 50% of who left is coming back, and almost everyone that came for blackout will leave.

All of this blackout thing has just been plain dumb, I bet if you´d have a time machine you´d be hitting the button of “3 months back” like crazy.

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What’s your sources…

I predict layoffs. Unfortunately it probably won’t include the two gleeful fools who orchestrated the Dumdum Era.

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I don’t think the reversal of blackout is such a big deal by itself. Local has been around since 2003 and for most of that time the game was in much better shape than it is now. Though I think there’s a compromise between perfect local and no local at all that might be good for everyone there are much bigger problems right now and CCP should be tackling those instead.

It’s like renewable energy, everyone wants changes but nobody wants changes that affect them personally. Just stuff that they can easily work around to hold onto the same status quo, which amounts to no real change at all. So I hope CCP doesn’t come out of this ‘experiment’ too timid to make any more meaningful changes to the meta.

Or they can go the other route and focus on milking people who want a peaceful grind with some spoonfed content. The MMO equivalent of putting grandpa in a retirement home.

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My impression is, they can’t, not that they don’t want. My guess is that a more balanced local tweak just can’t be implemented with reasonable effort in the new chat system.

That’s why we see all those cheap changes costing no dev power, the code must be totally messed up, and nobody there anymore who understands it. Also even simplest database changes like adding an item to the market they can’t get right only one single time.

They read all those reasonable ideas, then go to the devs and they say, nope or it will take two years of development.

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If you want to use this exaggerated phrase, be my guest. However, they did not do that now. They did it when they got so fixated on turning everything into more active gameplay. Everything needed to be active, nothing should be passive anymore. They turned that control over when they started to introduce deliberately overpowered, poorly thought through and terribly developed features. They turned that control over when they stopped developing good things, started to maintain the server and allowed Hilmar to become a greedy meat ball.

It is not like many players have told CCP their mistakes over and over again. It is not like many players have given CCP tons and tons of suggestions for better features or on how to expand on existing features for decades for free. It is not like CCP does not know that EVE players will devour you whole if you give them 1 atom’s width of a finger. And deliberately doing so against better advice is the folly of CCP. What annoys people as well and drives them away is very likely also this continuous stream of poorly thought through things that keep being implemented and then become abandoned. Experiments for the sake of stupid experimentation is something you do in a lab, not in an open environment and especially not in an open environment where you know exactly that nothing good will happen.

Blackout is yet another instance of this folly. Instead of implementing it properly with turned off local, new in-cluster PVE to give people something to do (no, Abyss space is not in-cluster. Especially not since the traces are completely invisible, which prevents necessary interaction) that is not as easy to interfere with as anoms but not completely immune to interference and gives people the ability to make ISK. No, CCP just dumped local chat blackout on the cluster without any concern for consequences … because “they had to see what would happen” and “had to wait for the data”.

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