No, I’m not missing the similarity at all. What I’m saying is that while your small group may have benefited by changing play styles, you did not see a more level playing field against other, larger groups who undertake the same activities. You didn’t. You may have made more money than you did prior to the Blackout, but that doesn’t mean you were suddenly more competitive against the people whose space you were raiding.
You’re not their competitors. You’re an occupational hazard, a ‘cost of doing business’. Just like they’re not your competitors. They, in fact, are just a ‘cost of doing business’ for you: if they catch you, they’ll blow you up. That’s it. Your competitors are other groups doing the same thing you’re doing, and a group that had more people available to keep more combat pilots on overwatch while you mined, or more people to spread the d-scanning between while they clear more sites in the same amount of time, would have been doing better.
And I say that because I was you. I started off in a small HS corp, and eventually we went out ninja mining and ratting in space that belonged to other people. We had to watch our asses all the time. And the people whose space we were raiding? They were never our competition. They were just the guys whose houses we were burgling.
As for ‘which draws more subs?’…
CCP ended the Blackout. That should tell you something about that.
Agree. And despite poor arguments from extremes that will no doubt follow, it’s hard to imagine that CCP can consider returning the grossly disproportionate high isk flows versus risk that came with local. An environment where a new player could be recruited to NS and in a few months be running multiple rorqs, for no direct subscription to CCP, and contributing to the game wrecking glut in super caps. To make it worse they could do it while barely playing the game as they watched a movie, worked a full time job etc.
There’s plenty to fix in Eve, and I think CCP recognizes that-- perfect intel across local and feeds to many out of game sites is one of the larger ones they still need to fix.
This is the Era of Chaos. I don’t think we’ve seen the end of things yet.
As for the cost of doing business on both sides, that’s just it… it offset that enough that new gameplay options opened up. For a LOT of people. You’re dismissing that in the end, this is a game, and involves gameplay. Yes, it caused drastic changes to the politics, because status quo changed. People in politics are always up in arms about change. Look at upwells. Look at loss of sticks. Look at cynos.
Sure, it changes their game play, and just adds a layer of depth that now has to be accounted for.
For the rest of us, it opens lots of new possibilities for things to do we couldn’t do before.
The occupational hazard and cost of doing business changed in our favor, for the first time in a long time.
Sure. The terrain shifted to benefit any given playstyle to a different degree than it formerly had. But the login numbers (which, as I broke down upthread, are decidedly not accounted for by the bot bans) were in free-fall. CCP devs’ statements off-camera at Berlin have made it very clear this was a step taken because it had to be, not because they wanted to. Hopefully, the bleeding stops, and activity and subs goes back up now.
There definitely need to be options to allow for ‘raiding party’ style PvE. But based on the numbers we can see, and the reaction from CCP that we did see, this wasn’t the way to do that. Giving players options—ways to secure space that can be countered—might provide that avenue without CCP opening up their own veins again.
as someone who lives in norway I have to ask will you stop comparing a bunch of crying 100% safe space loving nullsec corps to norway its a bad analogy, your points though long winded and with some semblance of forethought are one sided you rely on the stagnation and safe space BS we get it…
What do you mean? That ends with blackout.
Though it’ll take some time to repopulate the zombieland which became of non-umbrella nullsec (some regions lost mining almost completely, for example), but mindnumbing dscan spam and gatewatch is done at least.
It was never 100% safety for me - look at killboards, people get killed in nullsec all the time, how is that “100% safety”.
Removing blackout removed only one thing - 100% safety for YOU. Which you are crying about like a whiny little ditch. What can I say, if you are too afraid to come when it’s not 100% safe, cry me a retriever.
Also, to everyone who subbed for this and was predictably had by CCP, “roamed” empty non-umbrella nullsec and got shrekt by umbrellas, you will not be missed.
You can start crying and unsubbing because it’s no longer 100% safe to ganktard on people.
100% safety for me hahaha the guy going up to null with maybe 1 mate vs established corps who live there rofl… no not really dude it leveled it to the point where I could be a threat to guys like you I could get to your systems without being tracked for several jumps by station docked alts and having a blob and bubble waiting on the gate
But you now have your effortless station docked intel back anyway.
You guys make me laugh you have the audacity to call folk in high sec care bears but when those same folk come from high sec and have the ability to get to your systems and gank you, you all cry like kids its hilarious.
I have the audacity to call people who only come to gank when it’s 100% safe ganktards, like they deserve, because when it’s not 100% safe, they start crying about “perfect intel” and “bubble” and “blob”, as if those haven’t been around during blackout, with people sitting on gates watching (“perfect intel”) and camping even more (whereas you could have slipped through 90% of the time before, because people won’t usuall form for a single ganktard who’s gonna run like a spooked pussycat from literally anything that is not a barge).
Local changes literally nothing except it removes your ability to linger cloaked for days undetected waiting for 100% safe opportunity to kill that barge. And just because it ain’t free and 100% safe anymore, you’re crying me a river. You’re a self-entitled ganktarding piece of a horrible eve player, HTFU.
the more you cry the more you prove my point waaaa waaaaa I dont want to play if i cant have my safe space the bad boys from high sec keep bullying me waaaaaa wwaaaaaaa waaaa its hilarious !
Oh god, you made Orca start posting again. You fool! You mad, mad, Norwegian fool, you!
(Also, no, I don’t rely on stagnation. I’ve offered up a number of ways to break it up, starting with 'delete or radically alter supercapitals to remove the need for massive super fleets and the risk aversion that comes with that necessity.)
