Against cloak?
Do not try.
First off, they had to get into system somehow, hmm likely a stargate. And what many people do to slow down entry into their systems is anchor a bubble on the gate. So then you can not only see them on D-scan when they enter but they are slower. Next, you could chose to do types of PVE that donât allow cynos in them, which makes it a pain in the ass even if someone cloaky tackles you because they would need a 2nd fleet mate outside the thing you are doing to light the cyno. AND you would see their probes before they even come. You could be aligned while doing PVE but also you could neut out your attacker or ECM burst them, etc. (or for the real risk averse use warp core stabs and just warp away). LOL its so easy to get away from a cloaky itâs amazing they still get people especially with local.
Would you name the assets needed to act as the counterpart, since you have wide knowledge of this scenario?
Let me rephrase:
According to you, I would be needing:
- D-scan, which is not system wide.
- Corp mates, which will be 100% eyes pen to a gate or whatever, at least one per gate on each side.
- Pay attention on the site/mission/whatever I am in
- Be aligned
Et-ceteraâŚ
Which of course you have to agree having this setup 23/7 because anyone could sneak in and perma cloak.
BTW, there is more but letâs stop there for now.
Now, the other part, the incoming threat⌠would you be kind and polite enough to enumerate what he needs and have an honest appraisal of the difference?
Please read this scenario construct yourself.
Then try to sumarize the number of people involved to make it work.
Then add SOV
Plus Upgrades
Et-cetera
Eventually you will be or not able to come out with a number. That number is represented in:
Yep, you guessed it. a donutbrella.
I assume that it is what you want.
Now I know what you want.
What you want is a cake. And it is not going to happen.
No that is what YOU want.
As for even more, prior to the cyno changes we used to drop on certain groups a lot. What did they do to keep us from doing it more? They started putting cynos on almost all their PVE ships and would counter drop us with a heavy fleet through titan bridge every time. Pretty amazing actually that they would have all that on standby constantly but nonetheless they did it. Now of course their PVE ships canât have a cyno so less defense for them.
Cloaky logoff campers with cynos beat all the above mentioned.
If you want this playstyle you can live in a wormhole. Also the dense communication of WH groups is not aplicable to groups larger than dunbars number. Finally, demanding that others âadaptâ to this nonsense so you can have easy kills just shows that you are an entitled brat.
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The list, give me the list or this exchange is over.
What do you need in order to be the threat to the described scenario. Keep in mind itâs your own concept, donât cheat!
The list or no more game for you.
I gave you plenty of ways, that you have low comprehension is not my problem.
Next!
Yup, you are supporting local, free intel which in turn is pushing people into tactics like âAFK cloakingâ, logoff traps, etc to get around it. Great gameplay there. Again you should apply to be the CEO of CCP you have ideas that will push the game into its next renaissance.
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Shure noone would do that if there was no local⌠Tell your barber about it dude 
And again locking down gates and frantically torturing your d-scan button is for wormhole people. Not enough people pay for this â â â â and why should they if thatâs not what they enjoy?
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So apart of all the scaffolding required to exercise PVE in the fantasy game of Null with BO, there is also the possibility of a WH opening at any time.
So, I guess that scanning sigs now and then to be certain that itâs something else and not a WH, is also needed.
Nice!
Remember, there is a place where all this is currently happening.
Yes, the WH space.
There must be a way to make BO work in Null, but itâs beyond reach for itâs complexity.
Devs would need to tweak so many features to make it work without turning Null into WH space, that it will take years just to determine the checklist.
So, donât insist. It is not going to happen and every time void arguments surface, itâs moving farther. Liking or hating it is irrelevant.
If the absence of local is that good, WH space would be exploding in activity and be part of the ultimate EVE for the purpose, and thatâs not the case, not before or after BO.
PVE will not be easier to locate, hunt for, or shoot than it is today and bots are out of the question simply because it is illegal to bot or RMT but itâs way more out of the line to punish accounts that have nothing to do with it.
No one wants to play a game in which a punishment is applied indiscriminately because there is a handful of bots or sixteen thousand.
If CCP cannot handle illegal actions directly on the accounts at fault and must resort to such practices, everyone should protest.
Wh space is not popular not because of BO but because you canât cyno to and from it or claim sov. If you could it would be plenty popular.
The easiest fix would to make BO the default setting but have a structure that is relatively easy to incapacitate or destroy provide it to those that want it. Then you can have local if you want, and then gangs can blow it up to remove local. It can then spawn PVP by you coming to defend it and them wanting to destroy it. Since local is so important to you (and important to remove for many PVPers) it should spawn tons of PVP. Plus you would know when they enter local prior to them destroying the module so you would know they are there. Wow, so hard to fix the problem and add interesting game play.
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By recent history i imagine you are talking about 2016, when this char last did ANY pvp.
It is a freighter alt and not pretending to be otherwise - Whereas you are complaining under false pretences
Nowhere does it show you were ever engaged by a fleet larger than your little gangs, in fact it shows you donât engage unless you have guaranteed safety and easy kills.
5 vs 1, 6 v 1, Is this not the exact thing you were complaining about happening to you.
Must be ok for you to go out and get these risk free kills but defenders have no right to engage you with a bigger gang than yours
- Please -
Youâre just another LETE PVPâr who wants it all handed to them on a plate.
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And you are a elite carebear that wants to grind in perfect safety. Your point?
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Yes, yes, NOTHING ever dies in nullsec because everything there is waaay too scary for you. Youâre riding a dead horse dude - i can only riterate that youâd probably get more enjoyment out of the game if you joined a group like CODE.
Or maybe you should rat in highsec, since thatâs what you want null to be.
I and my 5000 friends work together to have a littel bit of safety. What kind of effort do you put into getting kills? None at all.