If a mechanic could be put in place for renting I think it would be bolstered with Alliance fines for banned bots - Each instance would be added to alliance fees.
This would not be a thing for more than five minutes before it was used offensively by inserting isolated bot accounts into enemy alliances and then âreportingâ them from outside to inflict punitive measures on the alliance.
Bad idea is bad.
Can confirm. In a world where VPNs with IP/MAC-masking is a thing, this is exactly what a lot of nullsec would do.
I donât think most would even wait 5 minutes to start.
Edit: Though, it wouldnât be âisolatedâ. Thereâd be people spinning up new accounts to Vexxor-bot by the thousand.
I meant âisolatedâ as in âcanât be traced back to real mainsâ (via the VPNs, VMs, etc. you mentioned), no wallet/transfer history, etc.
Well that would certainly make you improve your vetting procedures ! - friendship first maybe?
So, apart from the random idea that âenemy alliancesâ will put bot accounts into your organization - That is real accounts that you get to vet, with real people that you talk to, owning real accounts with time in the game, experience, training time and worth - That some ârandom enemyâ is willing to trash.
So, apart from that, can you think up another excuse to have active bots safely reside in your alliance?
Apart from the obvious thing that would happen, history is not exactly littered with instances of collective punishment that we look back on and say, âYes, that was a good and just and correct thing to do that worked out best for everyone.â
No, it wouldnât. Because thereâd be no difficulty at all for people on either side to be âfriendsâ and then screw people over. Itâs done right now, all the time. Spies in every null group in the game already feign friendship for years in order to screw people over.
Except that nobodyâs suggesting that. Weâre just pointing out that your suggestion is a bad one. If you put in a mechanic that can be used to screw over the other guy, everyone will use it. Everyone will use it because nobody will be able to risk being the only group not using it.
CCP already implements a kind of âalliance fineâ for bots: any money you got from the bots, you lose. If you spent it? Tough, you have a negative alliance wallet.
That means that if thereâs bots comprising most of your allianceâs income, when they get caught, your SRP is jacked. Your sov bills are jacket. Alliance and corp contracts are screwed. And on and on. Negwalleting an alliance already happens. It has already caused a sov drop in a number of Fraternity systems when they got hit for bots in FRT Treasury. That loss of sov meant jumpgates went offline or got delayed in being put down. It meant IHUB upgrades were lost. It meant ADMs dropped.
The âfineâ part of your plan functionally already exists. Adding onto that with more fines⌠that just lets us screw with everyone else in null a lot more than they can screw with us, because itâs a pure numbers game, at that point.
Seriously, the supplies for this project are a virtual private server, a bunch of alpha accounts, and one vaguely sociopathic player with a bent towards spycraft.
If you throw a rock at Fan Fest, it will bounce off three of those before it hits the ground.
Iâd actually bet large on at least ONE person doing it strictly for fun, with no real agenda aside from lulz and chaos, nevermind the folks with political motivations.
History is littered with collective punishment and itâs a standard when it comes to punishment:
What have to Romans ever done for us? ⌠apart from the aqueducts⌠and collective punishment that made one of the most effective armies in history.
Sports teams being fined for the conduct of individual players, fines against all companies trading with countries with intentional sanctions. All punitive damage court cases held against companies are a collective fine against shareholders - Of course punishment works.
And, just another note on this: You may have noticed that at some point, I said something about âDigital Ebolaâ. Digi was our former COINTEL guy. He went to the kinds of extremes it would take to prevent this kind of thing. None of it was illegal. None of it was a violation of the TOS. But heâd scrape the internet for every single piece of public-facing information that existed about you.
You donât want to be encouraging that level of assholery. I sure as hell donât want to see a return to that level of assholery. But Digi wasnât the only guy out there doing it. If you push nullsec toward the âwe will use bot reports to wage warâ level of metagame, that is what you are pushing.
And if you think people wonât do that, look at what happened to Brisc. That was just penifSMASH screwing around on a lark. He didnât even mean anything by it.
TBH itâs sort of a moot point, as ideas go I think this one is probably far enough out there that even CCP couldnât â â â â it up.
Probably.
I hope.
Well if they were up it was still not by a decidedly greater margin. It only figures that a blackout was needed to give them the edge over the comms systems lol
Did you know that CCP once suggested banned players could be re-admitted to the game if they spent an amount of time doing hard labor by smashing space rocks with no reward.
Really, you think increasing alliance fees per member with a bot caught is⌠far enough out there ?
Abe, god your still harping on this , when will you really understand your aversion to Alliances or bot controlling fines will never happen as a Alliance is not responsible for any member that bots, it is up to CCP to remove them from the game if caught , so please stop the troll and find a better topic .
There is absolutely no chance in hell of CCP instituting your ridiculous collective punishment for bots idea, yes, that is what I am saying.
I donât want to explain why to pay for to talk is humongusly wrong.
A simple answer. Anyone is going to go elsewhere after a short time of 6 month at most.
Submarinerâs game , silent huntign game is a ânicheâ hut for dog. it never succed.
this post is about to pay to have right to be, and itâs a relay to the right to act. Buy a way to Talk or to buy a skill that is going to talk from body might is the same.
I think he cant get over it , delusional thought process maybe. This is a Blackout thread he must be confused and cant find the Anti botting thread.
I have a still, it does not play the harp but you are right it is my still and l use it to make Bourbon.
Youâre quick to defend alliances from any liability that may be incurred due to harboring botters that provide them income.
I would not underestimate goons capabilities in this type of situation. Nor the capabilities of TEST, Intitiative and Brave to name a few. All of those entities have the manpower and the capabilities to blow you out of the sky before you even make a dent to a sub cap, let alone a super.
Yes, anyone who thinks your ideas are horrible must be a communist botter.