I feel the exact same way, this is complete BS. People who don’t even live in null are crying about not being able to get enough kills in null because Intel/local. Every twitch streamer Ive ever seen get podded spawns right back in Jita. They don’t understand that if the people in null can’t make isk, then they can’t fly nice ships. No nice ships = no more blinged out kill mails. I’ve already cancelled all my subs… I dont think I’ll be coming back for a while… If ever.
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A) It was tongue in cheek
B) I said this would generate a target list for investigation. Only those determined to be bots would be kicked.
Do you read before you type, or did you kick the keyboard as yout knee jerked?
depends if i read ■■■■■■■■ or nonsense…
Or clearly just don’t read it properly at all. Acquire a sense of humour from somewhere, life will be a lot less stressful that way.
there is no such Thing as afk cloaking…how you know a cloaker is afk??
Hey, being in Provi in of itself isn’t something to shame for. It was the region that I wet my null teeth in. At least they have that whole NRDS thing, kinda helps the newbro that doesn’t have any interest in joining goons or other large blocs.
It’s also the area I was in back when the first time they discussed removing local, and I threw the same friggin hissy fit that people are throwing now.
The content creators will go where the content is. TBH I’m imagining the almighty Equinox Daedelus is already standing on his porcelain throne screaming lamentations and demanding no-one logs in, or that people don’t mine or rat during the entire period. I could be wrong, maybe that dudes junk finally dropped and he’s calling for round-the-clock ramp-up of intel and PvP response. Dunno cause I left Provi a VERY very very long time ago
However, the only reason Provi residents would suffer is because the majority are already kinda meh players (which is totally the fault of their leadership). They don’t stay aligned, they don’t pay attention to or report intel, they dont fleet up, and they don’t get on comms. Which I think will either change, or TSOE will lose their system buffer for that pocket they still manufacture supers in.
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Yes true, some people will still fly blinged out ships… But what I’m saying is there is going to be a massive decrease in said “blinged out ships for those dank tics”
And yes, the Plex vault didn’t stop some derps from flying around with Plex in their cargo… but again… There was a massive decrease in said “derps with a cargo full of Plex”
Remember last year when local went down? Yes people got a lot of vnibot kills, but the vast majority of people didn’t even undock. And if they did, it wasn’t to rat or mine. I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, I’m just saying that’s what happened.
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Well that answers that question. CCP wants me gone, fair enough.
Yes i know toxic forum trolls, you won’t miss me. Good, i won’t miss you either 
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Recruit with your guns. And the many other resources you have. If you’re comfortable with your space superiority, then use local. You will then show up.
PvP will be fine. It will likely take a bit for the big groups to get comfortable enough to drop the stupid crap they do now, which helps the small dudes.
If you have more than 4 people on, you can scout, mine, pvp, etc without issue. Wormholers have been doing it since wormholes came out. And we fight almost every day. And many WH groups are fairly small. On paper corps tend to look MUCH larger than they actually are due to alts.
Some aggregated kill tracking (public info so I’m not too worried about posting it):
Killed: 9 (1,627,754,240 ISK) Lost: 23 (1,738,860,928 ISK) Isk efficiency: 48% Ship efficiency: 28%
Killed: 9 (9,145,156,608 ISK) Lost: 14 (2,372,588,032 ISK) Isk efficiency: 79% Ship efficiency: 39%
Killed: 64 (12,557,862,912 ISK) Lost: 39 (5,345,151,488 ISK) Isk efficiency: 70% Ship efficiency: 62%
Killed: 14 (6,827,868,160 ISK) Lost: 10 (976,800,640 ISK) Isk efficiency: 87% Ship efficiency: 58%
That’s just some stuff this past few days.
My corp mines and builds a ton of the stuff we need in-house. You don’t see too much industrial loss on our KB… and we have no local.
They’re doing this, as stated hundreds of times in the comments above, likely to combat bots, RMT, and the massive AFK rorqual armies. None of which should effect you unless you fit in one of those categories (in which case i hope you burn).
Also… if you wanna unsub, go slummin as an alpha, or biomass and quit, that is on you. Save your last corpse for me.
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There are other programs as well.
I keep seeing WH’ers speaking up about how little this really changes for NS. Or bitching about the false equivalency of no local being the same as WHs.
Sad fact is that few are caring and fewer are listening. To them it’s the end of all Nullsec, to us… It is Tuesday.
I keep thinking on this though and seeing so many reasons for it, so many little bonuses. The one that’s being said the least though is that this may just bring life to Lowsec. I think it’s going to hurt because while most of these people are just talking I’m sure that a not insignificant number of players will stop playing but in the end I think this might very well be the best change to Eve as a whole since… Maybe Citadels.
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I’m not a fan of perfect Intel with no counter play in the game. So from that perspective it’s a good step.
However, getting rid of it permanently, without some additional mechanics isn’t something I would support. Not a “Do this and you have perfect Intel again”, but something which has counters.
One thing this does do, however, is make afk cloaky camping pointless. If you don’t know they’re in system, they can’t affect your gameplay. (That’s cloaky camping, to just be in local and make people stay docked up, without being at your keyboard, with no intention to actually attack them)
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Always go allcocked.
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Just use dscan, bro.
I don’t understand why people keep repeating this useless advice. It also surprises me how often it comes from players who are presumably experienced in nullsec PvP and who might go hunting the moment local is gone. Like, are you people being serious? It must be some sort of a joke. It seems to me that you forgot that majority of people will be flying covert ops ships and ships which are immune to dscan. I am sure you know that spamming V every couple of seconds is useless against such ships and yet I see dscan mentioned often, as if it were some amazing tool, which it’s not.
I hope the next step after deleting local will be some sort of cloak nerf (this is where PvP bears start reeeing). The existence of local was a good argument to keep it the way it was, but now that local is being removed, cloaks should be stripped of the absolute safety they give when used properly. There are many ways it could be done. One of them is making it possible to probe down cloaked ships (PvP bears’ reeing intensifies). That would finally allow players to hunt the guy who is camping their system, the outcome being very desired pew-pew. Another is to remove the ability to warp while cloaked, which could fix dscan being useless. Seems pretty fair to me! I imagine it would also make people less hesitant to undock because they would finally feel that they can do something to make their space safer for PvE at least for some time.
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In their heads, this will be a magical land where all the bots will become oblivious to them, handing them thousands of green zkill marks on silver platters. The bots and krabs will never stop, playing the same way forever and ever because “it isnt safe now hooray!!!” and the kills will flow because their roaming t3 cloak can hotdrop dank super kills without anyone ever stopping them.
They cannot even COMPREHEND that something so absurdly one sidedly powerful will lead to no more open pve, and botting will leave nullsec. People bot to save time and make the most/hour. If they lose a vni every 20 minutes (or myrm after nerf) because theres literally no way to win against a cloak ship in a pve fitting (unless the “hunters” beg ccp to nerf things in their favor EVEN MORE)… They wont keep doing it.
Why rorqual mine when it takes 40 hours to replace 5 excavators… and now the booshers can land before you even recall them, undetected because cloaking exists?
Why bot nullsec when hunters can open up the ingame map using their oh so l337 pvp “skills” to see where the most npcs are dying, GO THERE, and cycle through anoms waiting… Hell why even rat? Everyone knows rock havens for supers, forsaken hubs for subcaps. It’s free intel to know exactly where to go and find these.
Why do hunters not realize that these “carebears” and “bots” and “krabs” and whatever else the hell they think will be spoonfed to them because theyve been too mentally retarded to keep up with the rest of eve (check zkill, a LOT of krabs die daily for a reason)… Why do they not realize that these activities will stop?
The only ones who benefit from this are the giant alliances who have umbrellas, now giant alliances can move supers anywhere and hotdrop or counter hotdrop easily. This change “only” fucks over the smaller groups who havent afforded to move into supers yet, and ensures they never will because any time a hunter sees a “bot alert” (aka their free intel map ingame showing a new system with high npcs killed last 24 hours) every 3l337 peeveepeer will show their mad awesome skill by sending ganking alts or cloak scouts there forever.
This change wont bring balance. It wont bring “less safe null”… it will only bring stagnation of the bots moving into highsec (and the wh ones staying where they are)… and the krabs not bothering because who the living hell would mine when any frigate gang can kill you before you even know they are nearby? It won’t be profitable… but most importantly. It won’t be fun.
Hisec mining died because you had gankers who could insure ships to actually break even off killing miners “stopping botterzzzz”. Now that in nullsec it hasnt been easy because “THEY SAW ME COMING. THEY SHOULDNT SEE ME EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE 50,000 PEOPLE ONLINE IM ELITE MOM TELL THEM IM ELITE CCP NERF THIS ■■■■ NOW I NEED MY DANK KILLS”
It’s ■■■■■■■ retarded that ccp went “oh hur dur thats right. Those poor peeveepee’ers… they need their kills spoonfed, how hard it must have been!” And when someone would link the absurdly high amount of kills in nullsec, its ignored because it doesnt fit this ■■■■■■■ meme.
Take null local away. Sure, leave all the free hunting intel people use to know exactly where to go. You think a bot has patience? People used to cloak camp super logins for weeks. It will go back to that, but only for those without umbrellas. Only in systems their free intel from the eve map will tell them to go to.
And when they run out of “targets” you mark my words. The forums will be FLOODED with “hackers docked up when i came in cloaked for my 100th kill ccp delete docking” or some other ■■■■■■■■ that the pvp carebears will come up with thinking itll bring back the “pvp” theyre pushing away.
It isnt hard to put cause to effect with how this will go. It’s just that people don’t like to face reality.
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Decent ideas, I would suggest we have the ability to pick up a ping that indicates a cloaked ship and you cannot pin it down. We could even examine getting on grid with them at some random distance, but always greater than 10 km. Then people can gather intel with effort.
~THIS IS FRIGGIN FANTASTIC!~
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Nah, these ideas are as old as EvE itself I imagine. It’s just that with local being removed they’ve become more reasonable to introduce than ever before.
The absolute safety of cloak has to go.
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For the first argument, yeah, for alittle bit you’re going to see a LOT of recons. Which proably explains how the recon hulls have jumped MASSIVELY in price. Goons hoarding as goons do.
As someone who rats in jspace, and has only lost one or two ratting ships (one, due to a corpmate, lol) where there is no local, and a new hole can spawn any second, and where the rats point, and pod, I really can’t find any justification whatsoever to complaints about cloaky ships or any of that in regard to PvE. You’ll likely notice if you stalk hard that I haven’t lost a mining boat in ages.
However, if you had much experience with these hulls, you’d know that they’re very focused on a speciality, and because of the fitting on them, they either are really good at the speciality and sacrifice tank, or they tank up and sacrifice the specialization they have. Covert Ops cloak ships also have huge tank problems. Visualize a pod, with a cloak generator strapped to it, some torps tossed about, possibly a bomb launcher, then just wrap that bitch in duct tape and bubble gum.
Frigates are the bane of both types of ships, along with high angle destroyers and cruisers.
As more recons are used, people will adapt, and the meta will shift, as it does with any change in this game for the past decade and a half.
The nerfs are already there. De-cloak targeting delay, lack of any tank, and now lack of local to keep yourself safe. Yeah… i went there. Local hurts the hunter just as much as the hunted.
As for the ‘camping’ bit… just scroll up and read instead of spouting the same dumb crap over and over. Nullsec is hard. Toughen up and learn to fly correctly.
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OMG!
This is horrible!
I vow to stand behind everyone who is quitting Eve and leaving for good.
I will be your support in this time of need.
I will support you by keeping all your ships safe from the bad guys.
Contract everything you own to me before you leave.
I will keep it safe.
I promise.
Fal
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