Back then, PvP was for the lulz.
Pve driving PvP is interesting, but the progression in that direction hasn’t been good for the giggle-rate.
Which hasn’t been great for players.
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With no local, how will the cloaker know anyone else is there? Especially the ones with dozens of accounts.
I think that whole “I need to farm so I can PVP” thing is a trope. Like “the moment you go to lowec you die” sort of thing. A huge lie to diffuse and distract.
It’s about farming, and racking up ISK either mindlessly or for nefarious reasons. Seeing how people are so salty, either obsessively over min/maxing whereby they can’t pay their nullsec rent - or their RL rent, makes me wonder. Farming always got first priority. All content resulted in one thing: more farming. No matter what it was. Exploration got “nerfed” into becoming just about field to farm in. It sucked the life and soul out of the game, and I’m with Solstice on this one, it seems like CCP preyed upon spergy min-max mentalities to get their money. Their sub was the only one that mattered, it seemed.
This change appears to be a gamble. A risky one at best, but it shows something that CCP used to have: big viking balls. I don’t know what’s going to come of this, but it’ll be fun to watch.
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This is the first non-nerf in almost a decade.
It’s gotten more blood pumping and produced more excitement than anything else they’ve done.
How can the most interesting thing in a decade be bad that they did? If it doesn’t work, fine. Turn it off.
But I’m glad they did something besides helping people isolate themselves into an infinite grind.
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You and many others like you are overestimating the average pve players worth as a pvp target.
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vni’s are usually easy kills if caught and not challenging enough to really count as a gf if they are afk; unless your new to solo pvp at least.
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vni’s are often hard to catch despite hanging round forsaken rally points, and most pve players are looking to dock as soon as your a jump or two out.
in essence vni’s afk or not, are not generally fun targets, much like mining ships their only validity comes in hoping the target alliance actually wants you out of their space and comes to kill you.
which none of you do, because you dont really want that space; you want to krab in complete safety because for you; null shoud be safer than highsec…
big news; it really shouldnt be, you should have to work for your isk - afk ratting, in nullsec? jfc if you folks cant see the issue you must be blind.
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citadels make it even easier to stay safe, even with blackout you can stay aligned to one of many and sit on tether spamming dscan.
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killing mining ships on athanors is rarely easy - doable but risky, certainly for solo and small gangs.
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just because you ‘‘pve’’ types only form into 50+ gangs it doesnt mean your average player enjoys this, in fact; most dont enjoy having to wait for timers or sit around for an hour or two waiting to form.
Most infact simply want to get online and play a game, be it pve or pvp.
I mean its cool, we get it; you can no longer watch netflix whilst reaping in arguably the best isk ingame whilst being mostly afk in what is supposed to be the most dangerous space ingame.
But the game should not be like that.
BASICALLY if you folks didnt dock up all the time and there was something going on in space there wouldnt be an issue but because your all so risk averse there is in fact, not very much to shoot at at the moment, at least during blackout there will be other raiders and likely defenders out and about and perhaps, hopefully it will be permanent and the renting empires will finally begone and the little guys, the new players and so on can finally actually do something other than join a blob.
i am interested Do CCP representatives read this forum?
if so, let them answer me - why do you bring only bad things into the game? do something for the players, not against them.
WH is completely different. Nullsec is life
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I feel that like 50%+ of posts here support these changes. And i don’t even remember most names. Looks like they never visited these forums before going here and declare support.
Looks suspicious indeed.
To the pvplers: eve is not just pvp! If I want wh content then I go there! Wanted to reactivate all 5 instead of 3 accounts. But I will do a devil and put myself in the belt as a clay pigeon! I’m out until you stop destroying the pve. Not all in zero sec have a big fleet! I have been howled by such a pseudo pvp player I should not use my drones against him!?! What would I give to be able to use my mining laser/strip miner against my attackers! The longer I shoot, the more damage I do. Would be great. If you already want to create pvp content then but so that everyone can defend themselves cleverly!
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The Triglavian ships already utilize this kind of mechanic. But why should your mining ship be able to both mine AND fight at the same time?
Go back to highsec, you dont belong anywhere else.
Devil’s advocate: why shouldn’t he? If he points a strip miner capable of ripping an asteroid to shreds at your ship, why shouldn’t it start ripping you up, too?
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why dont we give them temporary invulnerability too!!
As long as they have a rock targeted of course…
tracking.
also ships are not made out of rock.
Sure they are. It’s just been processed.
And ‘tracking’ doesn’t say why it shouldn’t rip you up, that just says why it should have a hard time hitting you if you’re moving. Make ‘hull mining’ a real thing. 
Perhaps people had no reason to visit or post before these changes were on the horizon?
I certainly didn’t, but now that this is proposed and slated to happen; I will voice my approval of the changes.
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mining lasers are for extracting ore from a mixture of different types of rock i guess they are probably a sort of mixture between a very poor laser and a tractor beam?
So why can we not simply blast asteroids with normal weapons??
round and round we go…
I dont know what the ‘lore’ says
Ain’t saying he should do a lot of damage, mind you.
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can you remember when the barges etc didnt even have tank?!
I must turn off my target and align my mining LASER to the new target. Minering is then no longer possible. Which reduces my income! And there are lasers cutting the rocks