Who is attracting customers:
PA attracts people to play BDO, what do you think they will do with Eve ? Would PA told to players: “HTFU or GTFO” ???
I think first from ccp who told that will be immediately fired !
I cant remember any of those games telling me I should log off.
I must be doing something wrong.
Its hard nowadays to find someone who doesn’t play now or has played League.
Blows my mind how LoL managed to usurp DOTA, by basically ripping off everything that DOTA was and is.
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I was there and saw that opportunity thrown away completely by blizzard by not paying attention that their customers were playing more of a custom map on Frozen Throne then the actual game.
It shows how clueless at some levels developers can be,
That is going to be a billion dollar mistake.
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Warframe will nudge you to take breaks actually… but only after playing for hours. It’s kinda funny.
The way when I was younger and knew I had to sleep when I played Dota is I couldn’t stay awake to play it any longer.
Still awesome concepts but way to late to making an actual game (Dota2)
Good years.
I was a huge fan of the Battleships mods too.
Its amazing how many game concepts/modes came out of modding WC3.
From TD, to early persistent “survival” games.
Another slight correction, it said CORP activity went down and stayed there, which is what you expect if you offer the carebears a mechanic to completely dodge the wardec by jumping or recycling corp.
And they said that the MOST important factor if a player stayed with EVE was if he was killed by another player. So removing them away from conflict even more will make the retention go down. But I’m sure that will be just more fuel for the carebears to demand even more nerfs to PvP.
No, that’s absolutely not what I said as new players are not effected by the wardec mechanics. That’s straight from the CSM minutes BTW.
OK, so the first 5 games, are they PvE games? Just asking, because you always tell us there is no market for PvP games.
Slight correction, jumping or recycling Corp would still be Corp activity.
That leaves NPC Corps (may or may not be included in Corp data) or logging off.
Was your intention to make any sense? Because it didn’t
If you measure the activity of players in a corp and then a wardec hits and everyone just jumps to another corp then the activity of that initial corp will go down and stay there. And since that was used by most carebears to dodge a war that’s what they see in the stats.
It does not mean that the players quit the game.
Funny story: Unless you are a worthless, despicable credit card warrior, you cannot really log off from EVE either or else you cannot earn ISK. You have to run missions, run anoms, explore, guard wormholes, do logistics, update your market orders, look for contracts, update your industry jobs, etc. EVE did that way earlier than many other games.
That’s not a problem with wars, that’s a problem with bad education of people being subjected to wars. I have had several wars on my several alt corps but I did not stop logging in the alts, simply because I can function outside my corps with assistance from my alt corps holding chars.
Not to mention other by comparison unavoidable hardships in EVE. Look at null sec. The meta there is “Log off or get dunked” thanks to the infinite wisdom of CCP and their capital focused development in the last 3 years. In contrast to wars, though, you cannot avoid that at all. Wherever you go, you get caps dropped on you or drop caps on others or use caps to drop on others/get dropped on by others. Wars are tame and easy to dodge by comparison.
Makes me wonder if they looked at actual user activity or just at the corps and how their activity changed. Nice example of biased, deliberately partial or outright wrong data interpretation. 
What data, there is no data. All we have is a statement from CCP and they never said this is a retention problem, they only said they looked at corp activity and that is how I interpret it. It is the carebears and the CSM that read more into this than they possibly can.
If they jumped to another Corp, the overall Corp activity stat in EVE remains the same.
You tried to argue that overall Corp activity drops when players jump Corps, which is false.
So as I said, that leaves only two options to explain the drop.
- That NPC Corp activity has not been included.
- That those players are logging off.
Its a simple deduction.
Yes, but where does it say they looked at overall corp activity. Correct, nowhere.
No I didn’t talk about overall corp activity. I have no idea why you get that intention. No one ever talked about overall corp activity
Where does it say they looked at untold thousands of Player Corps, individually?
Overall Corp activity would stay the same, if they jump to another Corp.
The deduction would be the sum of players that just logged off.
TLDR: Its not helpful to investigate individual Corp activity levels, as there are untold myriad reasons why they might fail to retain activity in their Corp. Its also an enormous sample that you cant deduce anything coherent or useful from.
Go read the CSM minutes, It makes no sense to talk about overall corp activity because wars happen all the time and no one talked about that ever. Sorry, but I’m nor even sure why you bring this up other than your desire to just be pedantic about some random thing.
I brought it up to point out the flaws in your logic and reasoning, to reach your erroneous conclusions.
Its not pedantic, its peer review and critique of how you reached the conclusions you arrived at.
You brought up something no one ever talked about to point out the flaw in my logic? Good job. Want a medal?
Where does it say they looked at untold thousands of Player Corps, individually?
Everyone knows that wardecs are broken but complete and utter immunity for everyone and their mother isnt the solution.