Maulus Navy Issue = Mini Vexor Navy Issue ratting fit?


(Jae Geten) #1

Is it a viable fit?

[Maulus Navy Issue, *Mini Vexor Navy Issue]
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier

1MN Afterburner I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Medium Shield Extender I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin I x5


(Xandar Dice) #2

Why would you use a MNI for ratting? An Algos would be better and cheaper.

However if you’ve already spent the iskies on this here’s a better fit, assuming your skills are a little low.

Highs:
125mm Prototype Gauss Gun
125mm Prototype Gauss Gun
(Upgrade to 125mm Railgun II if possible)

Mids:
1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner I
Medium Azeotropic Shield Extender I
Medium Azeotropic Shield Extender I
(If you can’t fit the second shield extender keep you drone navi computer or switch to something that improves drones)

Lows:
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II (Use the type-d one if you can’t fit)
AE-K Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Drone Damage Amplifier

Rigs:
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
For the third rig use the screen reinforcer for the pirate damage type you are facing (e.g. Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer if you’re fighting Serpentis)

But really, get an Algos, then a Vexor. Get Drones V, and Drone Avionics and other support skills as high as you can take em.


(Jae Geten) #3

My drones were doing too little damage so I changed the fitting

[Maulus Navy Issue, Mini VNI]
Unit W-634’s Modified Drone Damage Amplifier
Unit W-634’s Modified Drone Damage Amplifier
Unit W-634’s Modified Drone Damage Amplifier
Unit W-634’s Modified Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer

Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner
Unit W-634’s Modified Drone Navigation Computer
Thukker Medium Shield Extender

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

‘Augmented’ Hobgoblin x5


(Anderson Geten) #4

looks like you have no idea how to farm afk in a vni.

We use an oversized propmod to reduce the damage taken a lot.

Then we have all the tank slots free to add damage and apply.

this leads to a FREAKING SHOUTLOAD DPS (considering it is a cruiser, also factoring in the apply) and thus, dank isk for an afk activity.

let’s sort the numbers out.

  • base unskilled hob deals 8 DPS
  • base unskilled ogre deals 25.6 DPS
  • in effect, since maulus uses 5 gobs and VNI uses 5 heavies, VNI has 3.2 times the dps of the maulus
  • then hull bonus of vni gives scaling +50% drone damage. MNI has no drone damage hull bonus.
  • basically the VNI gives 4.8 times the dps of the MNI (with perfect skills)

next time you want to propose a fit, and compare it to another, please test BOTH fits before proposing yours.


(Atomeon) #5

His second fit is a troll fit :stuck_out_tongue:


(Jae Geten) #6

So if I replace the 1mn with a 10mn and replace the tracker with a aux power core and the medium extender with a small it should work right? Not against Battleships but maybe a bunch of cruisers?


(Kynami Vaille) #7

And where are you proposing to use this fit? Because part of the reason speed fit Vexors often work is that in null most of the rats are big lumbering ships that have a really bad time smacking something smaller and faster. In high security space you would get absolutely smacked simply because of the fact that anomalies often include small sentries and missile launchers.

Granted I’ve used some interesting buffer fit Vexors to clear DED sites in high, but they are by no means as hands free as the usual setups used by null. You basically are going to have the issue with the MNI that you don’t have sufficient passive regen to deal with the occasional bit of chip damage the VNI could have easily soaked in addition to the serious lack of drone damage in comparison.

Your proposed oversized prop MNI once you figure in that you can only really squeeze in a pair of DDAs gets maybe 140 DPS with Hob IIs and max skills. Its pretty bad, that isn’t sufficient to even break the tank of some elite cruisers.


(Jae Geten) #8

Well thats really the question I was asking. I have no idea what the tank of elite cruisers are. It’s why I asked.


(Alderson Point) #9

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it really isn’t a comparison in any way for any purpose. It is always nice thinking out of the box, and that is to be applauded, but other than it can use drones, there really is nothing to recommend it in this case.


(Xandar Dice) #10

Those mods on thr second fit will cost you billions, so you might as well get a vexor/algos instead as their tank is substantially more than a MNI.
You really only use frigs for level 1 missions or lowsec belt ratting. They arent viable for any other profitable pve roles.


(Anderson Geten) #11

exploration(prober/relic), transport(bpc), tackler (pvp), webber alt, limited sleeper cache(astero), wh gaz ninja, what else ?


(Inir Ishtori) #12

Heh, this is an interesting topic. Maulus is a really cool loooking ship, but it seems a bit strange to use it for pve.

If i had to fit the navy variant for some low level missions, I’d probably go for something like the following fit:

[Maulus Navy Issue, beams]
Small Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S

Small Anti-EM Pump I
Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I

Acolyte II x5

Obviously, the damage is pretty low - just 139 dps with max current alpha skills and Radio S, 149 with Aurora S - and the tank is bad, too. But I’d say this is totally okay for some really low level pve, like lvl 1 missions and low level combat sites in Amarr high sec - if you absolutely want to fly a Navy Maulus.
Like the people before me said, other ships are more viable, especially since you can buy a cruiser with some T2 modules for the money you’ll spend just on NMaulus hull.

Change resist rigs to Thermal + Kinetic and guns for small 150 prototype rails with Tungsten S if you want to go to Gallente space.

edit:

I just logged into the game and realized that you probably want to use the ship for Rogue Swarm sites. Maulus above should work, I suppose, but it will be annoying to use and you will only get to use your drone dps(with drone aggro all the time etc) as you’ll want to stay a good distance away from the drone swarms.

If it’s only about looks, check out Guardian’s Gala and Headhunter skins for the Vexor. Those look pretty cool, too, and you get a much more effective ship for the task.

edit2

changed the fitting for a slightly different one.


(Inir Ishtori) #13

Well, I went ahead and just bought a NMaulus and ran a Rogue Swarm site with the fit above. It worked pretty well, better than expected. Considering that in the past I’ve run some lower tier combat sites containing mainly frigs and cruisers in low and null in a 140-150 DPS Astero, I think NMaulus should work okay for that kind of content. Just be careful about elite frigs, those kill drones in a few seconds if you don’t pay attention.


(Anderson Geten) #14

please. rogue swarm event is not a correct benchmark.

If you want to compare this fit to another, for this specific event, compare it to a T1 cruiser.


(Atomeon) #15

There is the Tristan with battle bonuses, use that. Why you still insist to use the wrong tool for the job?


(Jae Geten) #16

I’ve already been clearing Rogue Nests with my Tristan fit like this.

[Tristan, *Simulated Tristan]
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I

1MN Afterburner I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Medium Shield Extender I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Acolyte x5

The thing is I was wondering how far you could take that type of fit. It’s why I was wondering about the MNI

Since with the Tristan I am too slow to AFK the site, I still have target priority to worry about. Since the elite frigates can still hit me regularly. But if the MNI has the powergrid to fit the 10mn, I might just avoid 99% of the damage.

[Maulus Navy Issue, *Simulated Maulus Navy Issue]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I
Small Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Acolyte II x5

EDIT: Okay just tried a newbie version of it, turns out I was too fast for the drones, they couldn’t hit me, but they also wouldn’t be able to get in range to aggro to activate my drones. I had to deactivate the 10mn to let them hit me a few times so the drones would attack.


(Jae Geten) #17

Turns out the MNI works, but like the other posters said, it lacks DPS, the 10mn also makes it turn like a slug, and it’s speed and sig radius means nothing hits it at all. So I’ve decided to move on and try a similar fit for the Dragoon.


(Lady Ayeipsia) #18

I have to ask… Have you thought about using a Worm? It has shield bonuses, drone bonuses, and you could add 2 light missile launchers to help.

If you are an alpha, all you need is Cal frigate and skip the launchers.


(Jae Geten) #19

Yeah I was looking at the Worm, but it has lower powergrid, so I can’t fit the 10mn effectively without losing lows. Which causes the DPS to drop again.


(Anderson Geten) #20

what ? he doesn’t need to use 10mn. he has a so strong tank that using a small shield booster +1mn is enough.

worm ded 1/2 serp/guristas
[Worm, guristas serpentis site]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Small Shield Booster II

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Drone Speed Augmentor II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hornet II x5

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16