Those points aside (I could pull an Arrendis and tear that all apart, but it’s not on topic to what were discussing. I’d be happy to discuss it in a different place.), if you haven’t heard of such actions taking place by Matari forces, how can you say they would? For example, the Federation has their infamous prisons, would I be right in saying the Caldari will, on a political level not capsuleer level, enact a policy to murder the inhabitants of ____? Obviously not. They haven’t before within the warzone to my knowledge, thus what rational is there to assume that? Basing it off of what your notions of our past are, well it would go against what we have actually done before. We haven’t done such a thing why start now without being provoked?
Of course the Caldari State Protectorate would never partake in such blatant atrocities. The Caldari State is a civilized nation. The militaries of civilized nations should not, as a matter of course, commit mass murder of noncombatant citizens as retribution for the opposing policies of a foreign political body.
As an adjutant and professional of the State War Academy, I would be disgusted on both a personal and professional level if I were to learn of our comrades behaving in such a brutish manner.
Nevermind that, anyone with any common sense would not do something that would push the cluster into a state of total war.
There’s an entire mercenary group with cluster-wide influence that was created as a result of how “civilized” the Caldari State acts toward non-citizens.
Um. If you mean the Legion, this is a strange argument.
Mordu’s Legion grew out of the Waschii Uprising, which pitted the Templis Dragonaurs terrorist group against the State and the State-allied Intaki who formed the Legion. The Legion’s been on excellent terms with the State in the years since. Retired Legion mercenaries are even granted State citizenship automatically, regardless of origin. That’s a privilege that otherwise basically doesn’t happen, ever.
The Templis are Caldari, sure, but outside of Tibus Heth’s regime it’s kind of hard to say that they are in some way the State. They represent certain widely-held Caldari virtues taken to ugly extremes, and mostly make trouble for the State rather than supporting it.
He could be meaning the Gurista.
It’s not impossible to find reasons to support the Guristas, Ms. des Larmes, and the two lines of work can blur, but you have to work at it a bit to think of the Guristas mercenaries instead of pirates. … Particularly since they self-identify as pirates.
Also, their social justice-y aspect is maybe more something they fell into on account of who they tend to be able to recruit than something they originally set out to be. If half to two thirds of your recruits are Dissocs, it pays to be sympathetic to the Dissociated.
You’ve spent too much time with the Amarr if you are going to attribute that to the Templis Dragonaurs - but I can’t see why you would. It’s easier to dismiss when you can strawman the xenophobic tendencies of the Caldari as the most notable terrorists among them. Truth of the matter is that it was Caldari who wanted the Intaki out of Waschi City, and they accomplished as much until Mordu came back to answer those Intaki who were forced out. The Intaki who have no abandoned their culture are not citizens. They are a client-community and have few rights as such. The State didn’t much bother with the situation until the uprising started to affect their corporate ends, and the harassment of those Intaki minorities persists even to this day.
And for the record, citizenship is not granted automatically… It’s only for those long-standing members of the Legion and even though it is common, it is not guaranteed… So don’t try to pull the wool over the eyes of this Intaki. I learned my lesson with the State the hard way.
Edit: None of this even matters. This has nothing to do with the Crusade or the Liberation Force, the foolish treaty negotiated among their capsuleers, nor the resulting fallout. Back to it.
You must have missed the part where Caldari forces under the banner of OB and Lai Dai Protection Services were brazenly looting monasteries and burning villages on Intaki Prime. Atrocities don’t get much more blatant than that.
It took weeks of fighting by Intaki Diaspora aligned forces on the ground to drive Lai Dai and their mercs back. Only when the State Protectorate was finally defeated in space and FedNav Marines landed under FDU overwatch did Lai Dai abandon the planet. Hundreds more lives were lost to Caldari area denial explosives seeded in civilian districts in the meantime. I’ve seen first hand reports of children killed by these devices thinking they were toys.
I’ll say this for OB and LDPS, though. Call the results “brutish,” or “uncivilized” or “atrocious.” I certainly do. In the State they call it “just doing business.” You’ll never see a more professionally managed crime against humanity than at Caldari hands.
LDPS was cleansing Intaki from cultists who attacked civilians in Khanid space.
And now, look at that, a gallente propagandist blames US in atrocities! I wonder, what will she do next, blame Empire for fighting “poor freedom loving blood raiders”?
Ridiculous.
Cyclical citations aren’t proper sources. Try again, and leave the word Intaki out of your vocabulary.
This is nothing but cowardly propaganda from a man who barely deserves to call himself Minmatar.
We are fighting for the billions STILL IN CHAINS, not for the sake of vengeance.
Or are you conveniently not counting those as “our people” anymore so as not to upset the Servants of God?
Considering you seem to think fighting the Amarr will result in the enslavement of us all, I suppose I don’t need to phrase that as a question.
You are fighting to ensure the trillions in chains suffer, and that more are taken in the hopes that the outcry will renew the war that was paused just over a century ago.
If you achieve that goal you will learn what your forebears knew of our resolve; there’s nothing but blood on the path you have chosen for your people and every moment they remain on it, to change becomes heavier with cost and compromise.
Don’t resist, it will only get harder for you, right?
You clearly havn’t learned what your forebears knew of OUR resolve, because I’m sure they told them the same thing before there WAS a Minmatar Republic.
Yes! That’s the point! A path slick with the blood of the slavemasters, and littered with broken chains. As before, much of our own will be spilled to get there.
But at least some of us still think, as then, that it’s a worthwhile price to pay.
I am who I am, and could not take myself seriously suggesting a course I could never bring myself to take.
But I have never sought war, and pray for peace. If though heaven cannot be moved, we will raise hell.
Kill them all, let their god sort them out.
-- I forgot who.I would just like to report that Ushra’khan has begun capturing complexes in Floseswin, thus marking the end of all organized participation in this “deal”.
I pray all who were involved are satisfied with the results.
Word is that the Inner Council is discussing changes to the War Powers Act, so you could state that the blockade at least partially reached its goals.
Whether it was worth the price is anyone’s guess, but to use this for their advantage was Sarum’s call, and no one else’s.
And I trust it was a good one.
So you are saying I should rejoin the war? About time the clans fought as hard and used as big as a club as the Slavers.