A thought jumped at me just now. ( it’s rare but it happens ) We all know that there is a horrible horrible animosity between Miners and Gankers and the two groups are always at each other’s throats.
The thing is, many Gankers have stated before that some gankers do mine and I am sure that some miners have ganked before as well.
Questions
When the gankers call miners names like lazyfilthy ect… are they actually calling some of their fellow gankers those names, the ones who do mine once in a while?
Same for miners, when they call gankers names, are they calling their fellow miners who do gank those names or how does it work?
Now, I know that this thread will devolve into a train wreck but I expect those who reply to follow the code of conduct of this forum and to remember James’ thread about civility and all that.
Not from the forums. Any “miners” that post here are just bored gankers trying to stir things up.
Not from the game. Miners know the score. They just go about their business after a gank.
They should be at each others throats. Without gankers, miners would quit out of boredom. Thats the path carebears want… to be bored AF and the only players left so they can pretend that a wallet is what makes you a good player playing a good game. Carebears are cancer and if they get what they want, Eve will only have ten percent of the population is has now so that they can stare at a fkn rock until they realize they are the only ones left. Any other competition they had has already been removed with game mechanics and look at the damage it has caused.
Miners and carebears exploit the game and CCP lets it happen, when a pvper exploits, they get banned. Cancer. Btw, if you are a miner checking your wallet… you already lost. There is no ISK war. If there was then miners and 98% of you already lost.
Isk means nothing and its only goal should be power and war. Right now, ISK is useless to real players and content generators in gaining what they need.
“Miner” is just a term for capsuleer, isn’t it?
Some miners mine rocks, others mine NPCs, yet others mine Marauders.
Whether you’re a nullseccer that camps the enormous ore anomaly until no more “valueables” are left in the rocks, then cycle Type Cs on whatever is left, offload your “goods”, and patiently await the somewhat predictable respawn of your anomaly…
…or you are a lowseccer that camps the POCO until no more “valueables” are left in the wreck of a PI hauler, then cycle your top slots modules on whatever is left, offload your “goods”, and then patiently await the somewhat predictable appearance of the next PI hauler at your POCO…
…what difference does it make?
When organized “highsec law and order” groups perform a demining OP, they will often invite the wrecked miners into some diplo chat, where they offer the miners the opportunity to obtain “mining permits”. These permits are available in various variants. The permission to crab in the asteroid belts is only one of the permit variants. If miners are willing to pay more, the deminers also offer access to their own mining assets, such as moon drill fitted citadel generated moon belts, or access to their mining fleets, so you can compress and receive their mining foreman.
No clue whether they actually live up to their permit deals, but at least novus ordo, which demines in the Rens proximity, also crabs itself quite hard there.
‘Farmer’ would be a better term, I think. And the key similarity between all of them in this case is that they mostly all want to farm in high sec, where they feel more safe from being attacked.
High-sec “elite PvPers” are actually the biggest risk-averse farmers of all, as they neither want to do their own work of being productive, nor are they willing to accept the risk of venturing into spaces where actual PvPers can attack them freely. And they cling fiercely to high sec safety in order to keep their own playstyle from being interrupted… just like every other farmer.
It’s all about farming, risk-free, in high-sec, and all the BS spouted by “elite PvPers” (see Distaine’s post above) is just ego-puffing to distract everyone from their risk-aversion and cowardice. Ganking is (so far) a valid playstyle in EVE, but ‘valid’ doesn’t mean respectable or necessary. It’s almost certain it does more harm than good to the game, but CCP shoots itself in the foot so often it’s unlikely it even notices one more shot.
Actually, over 90% of all players never even look at forums or other game discussion media. And the majority of miners rarely or never get ganked. So it would be more accurate to say “A small percent of miners are dumb enough to make themselves targets for the equally small percent of players who need the ego-boost of padding their KBs with weak defenseless targets.”
Gankers overall don’t even hold much animosity towards miners, haulers, or other carebears, from the ones I’ve spoken with. It’s either just a profitable business, something to do that’s less boring than mining, a means of padding their public KB, or for a few, their way of feeling big and strong.
Heck, I used to chat with a guy that would be mining and doing Discovery on one screen while sitting and waiting for ganks on another screen.
The whole ‘animosity’ myth mostly grew out of CODE. issues back in 2012-2013, when various complaints to CCP about hunting miners resulted in a policy reply something like “if you’re killing them just for the sake of killing them, that’s griefing. But if you’re killing them for a financial or game objective, then that’s just business as usual and is OK.”
So CODE. / James315 invented the whole anti-miner ethos and ‘mining permits’ and the ‘public’ animosity (which had always existed to a degree, since there’ve always been “elite PvPers” who shudder at the thought of facing anything tougher than an unarmed opponent) snowballed from there.
There appears to be more animosity against AFKers and multi-boxers in some areas than between gankers and miners. And of course the gankers have a pretty strong bias against the anti-gankers, because AG interferes with their farming. So much for anti-farming rhetoric.
Suffice to say, it’s mostly a crock and a pose and a justification all in one, and the vast majority of EVE players go about their business while ignoring it altogether.
Thanks for clarifying the whole thing for me. So it’s mainly play pretend by a few roleplayers who need the attention and find it on the forum where they can harass regular players who want to share a few laughs.
It figures…
Aiko’s not on ignore, it’s just that they rarely say or ask anything of substance. So there’s no point wasting time on replies.
I’m also not ‘salty’ about basically anything in the game. Across all my characters, in almost 2 decades of play, I’ve been ganked maybe 6 or 7 times. None of those were in anything worth much and were replaced in minutes.
My first career coming out of university was a little over 8 years in game design, coding, and debugging. And this was far enough back that we’d actually take the time to meet and discuss the games with some of the local players over coffee every couple months. I’ve always enjoyed the intellectual exercise of analyzing game mechanics and reviewing player behavior to see what works and what doesn’t.
As you can tell from the attention span of some posters, “intellectual exercise” isn’t really what they’re here for. But that’s OK. My hobbies are for my own entertainment, not theirs.
Of course, fellow forum poster Kezrai Charzai may very well be merely posing as a front for her powerful and influential null sec identity, which if revealed, would spell great disaster and give the evil imperium the edge it needs to conquer all of New Eden. That’s why we should give these numbers the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Kezrai is in secret one of the strongest solo and smallgang and large fleet pilots that currently exist in the game, mastering the game to such an unfathomable depth that 20 lengthy essays don’t even scratch the surface.
I do feel skeptical every now and then, observing the absence of a killboard or any notable ingame activity since the creation of their character. But then I remember that I am not respecting their secret identity enough, which must be incredibly powerful and important to never, ever disclose any information of or have them provide the necessary credentials to give weight to their words. A lack of faith, you could say - I simply must strengthen my belief.
I hope that this answer is of great use to you, and will help you estimate the sheer power of forum poster Kezrai Charzai.
