why do people seem to go nuts when a lone mining ship gets in system. it seems like everyone in system attacks them. is it just because they are the easiest target in eve?
Can you explain this, NH96? Do you mean a lone mining ship being attacked by other miners (âeveryone in systemâ) or are you referring to gankers?
Either way, I shouldnât think itâs all that common - not where I live, in Highsec, for example.
Thanks.
gankers and gate campers
In Highsec, neither gate camping nor ganking is particularly common, except in and around a few well-known systems, I guess.
Mining vessels used to be easier to gank; my 3 paid-up accounts were sufficient most of the time. Now, I canât really indulge my play style at all with fewer than 4 Omega accounts, and for many exhumers and above, I really need 5 minimum. It gets costly!
Does this mean that your thread isnât about âMiningâ but rather about âGanking and Gate Campingâ?
Thanks anyway for making it clear.
itâs about how miners canât defend themselves
Ok, thanks NH96, I get it now.
sitting ducks
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Youâre only a sitting duck if you are AFK or not paying attentionâŚ
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Your best defense is not being on grid when the gankers land. And in order to do that, you have to pay attentionâŚ
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and how do you know if they are a ganker? anyone can and probably is a ganker.
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Well for starters certain corps are more focused on ganking (like Safety) so you can set them to red. If they have low sec status that also might be a clue, especially if theyâre being chased by faction police. Their ship is also a clue, something like a catalyst or thrasher is more likely to be a ganker since those have high DPS for their price tag. You can also fit tank modules, but thatâs more of a last resort.
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You should give mining in low sec or null sec space a try!
You would quickly learn how to stay alive without being a sitting duck by:
- knowing how to use dscan
- knowing how to align your ship out when you sense danger
- being able to sense danger by looking at local chat and the directional scanner
- having local chat open at all times so you know who is in system with you
- knowing to mine in lesser often traveled systems, as this makes it easier to keep an eye on the other players
- recognising the few regulars in your system that donât attack you and the ones that do
You would at first lose a few ships, so try to keep it cheap (Ventures), but eventually you will have learned how to survive without being a sitting duck.
CONCORD wonât protect you in high sec space, theyâre just there as a guaranteed response fleet that could make it unprofitable for people to gank you if you choose the right fit. Donât rely on them, but rely on your own bag of tricks to survive.
Fly safe!
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Thanks for amending the thread title; now youâre getting relevant responses. I hope they help you.
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have you seen his killboard? 
a Mackinaw in 0.2 sec is like having a big flag out that says âshoot meâ (or âBaitâ)
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almost not worth going to T2 mining then. just paints a large target on your back.
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Indeed, it can be a better choice to use a Barge instead of an Exhumer depending on the circumstances.
Exhumers do make attractive targets and are also a lot more expensive to replace.
On the other hand, Exhumers do have more yield than a Barge though, so depending on how often you have to replace your mining ship one or the other will be more profitable. If you generally live long enough for the Exhumerâs extra yield over a Bargeâs yield to pay for the additional cost of the Exhumer, keep flying those T2 miners!
Also as someone who does occasionally shoot mining ships - while I would be happy to drop on Exhumers, I wouldnât say no to dropping on Barges either. An Interceptor fleet like the one that caught you also wouldnât care and was probably out there to catch anything that they could regardless of how expensive your ship was.
In other words, the increased price doesnât always paint a target on your back. The fact that youâre out there in space is often enough to make you a target.
So try to pay attention to the intel channels, be in standing fleet, watch local chat and prepare to warp out when you see suspicious ships on your directional scanner.
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Iâve lost lots of mining ships, mostly in nullsec. Almost every time itâs because I wasnât paying attention to local, D-scan, intel, etc. Stay apprised of your surroundings, and be prepared to warp out. In highsec you have to be suspicious of most everyone, because you donât know who is a ganker and who isnât. In nullsec itâs very easy to tell who is on your side and who isnât, and if an ally shoots you, itâs usually pretty easy to get reimbursed.
People will definitely attack miners before other ships because mining ships usually donât have much in the way of defense. You can pin them down, neut them out, defang them as needed, then go to work on the shield, armor, and hull. The best defense is to move out to nullsec, join an alliance, stay on intel, and when youâre actually mining, stay aligned out and ready to warp off before a hostile player lands on grid.
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I mine all the time sometimes on my own. Some times with my wife. I mine in lowsec with my corp. I blow the rats out of the sky pretty regularly with my venture. If I so much as suspect a ganker has landed on grid. i am gone that quick.
Itâs called situational awareness and not being AFK. Unless you are multiboxing and can afford to lose a ship or two. New Eden is a dangerous place. We all take our chances when undocked. It is not a game that easily forgives mistakes or being forgetful.
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Then how do they survive?
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Yes, mining in Lowsec or Nullsec requires pilots to adopt the measures you mention.
The problem with Highsec dwellers is that they donât think they should have to behave in this way. They think they should be protected and that if they are required to pay attention, etc., thereâs no advantage in playing in Highsec.
Itâs really difficult to get through to them the ânowhere is safeâ message. Instead of adjusting their behavior, they come onto the Forum and whine about the âunfairnessâ of it all.
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