yes there are, as the base chance to get decloaked by one ping is 40%. That should not be overlooked. Try it on Sisi, if you have the patience. Deploy one, see how it affects your cloak while the observatory is active. Then deploy several with a few minutes interval and check again during their lifespan. Multiple pings of course increase the chance that you will get decloaked. It’s only when the immunity timer is running that it doesn’t matter if there are pings, or how many. That’s why it’s useful against afk cloakers.
Why would you have them burn for 24h a day?!
scroll up and find the answer.
the reality is that i proved i know more then the observety then you do, thus you change the talking point.
nope, it was someone else.
I dont speak for my corp, whatsoever… but, if I was a corp leader I would not condone the use of corporation isk on some silly item like this - unless there was some sort of sec-op reason for it being deployed.
for afk-cloaking, while you in school/work… yeah I could agree, but I could also say “or it would be botted”.
For cloaky -AFK camping while you are at home doing the dishes… nope. all you need is an egg-timer.
I agree that it’s not changing the game. At all.
It’s just yet another pointless isk-sink.
It’s promoting 100% undetectable botting and semi-afk gameplay
And whats even worse… it’s even allowing opposite factions to “win the isk war” by being offline. lol.
of course, you were correct in your first instinct; this is a terrible item.
I tried it out for 2 cycles, it had 100% decloak rate… so you say 40%??
wow. much wow.
The projected isk cost is over 1b per 24hrs… but idk, perhaps the decloak ping is related to sigradius?
lol… ok so 40% means that this item is now officially pointless.
sure people will still buy and deploy it… but it’s just another isk sink.
as expected… no real fix to afk cloaky campers.
@Derath Ellecon
was you the guy that said i put words in ccps mount and you needed a citation…
then when i provided a citation from ccp, that confirmed exactley everything i’ve had said–
you trying to troll??
“oh but… yeah, you see the words are correct but actulllyyy… they mean something else entirely… and well your wrong… cus i say so…”
well nice troll attempt dude… /golfclap
Scrolled up, only found cloak fuel nonsense.
Again, why would you want to burn them for 24h a day?
A few starting points:
- You aren’t online 24h a day
- If after one of these observatories, because you suspected a cloaked ship to be AFK, it turns out they were not AFK, why would you drop another one? To see if they’re AFK now? And then drop another mobile observatory? Good luck!
(Hint: You drop it if you think a cloaked ship has been AFK for some hours. And the mere existence of these things ingame stops most people from being AFK cloaked for some hours so you likely don’t even have to drop one.)
So you keep using the “Fair gameplay” argument from CCP’s statement.
This is the same CCP that has on multiple occasions defended high sec suicide ganking as “fair gameplay”. A thing that negatively affects far more players than AFK cloaking, and in many ways could be considered harder to counter than cloaky campers.
So I am going to go out on a limb and guess that CCP’s definition of “fair” is not as “fair” as your definition.
You do understand that afk means “away from keyboard” right?. because your responses only make sense if you dont.
you didn’t have to scroll all the way up to the superior cloak-fuel idea (that would make the gameplay become vibrant and engaging=)
No, but I’m not alone. When I log off, someone else logs on. etc
Eve servers are international.
No. it turns out…
that these players could be active… OR they are afk/at the computer with a minimized client - with an alarm clock OR they are botting OR they are only trolling to win the “isk war” while being offline. OR the rng gods favours them and they didn’t decloak.
stop insisting that the lack of a decloak = they are active.
Im also using pretty much all of their stated goals and mission objective when i say that the mobile observatory goes against it all.
so… whatever offtopic discussion you want to have about:
“how one should interpet ccp use of the word fair” is … pointless ?
I have been advocating for tools against AFK cloaking for multiple years now and with these Mobile Observatories, EVE players get exactly what I wanted them to have: a way to interact with AFK cloaked players.
Cloaks are fine.
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You are using their words and goals, having the perspective of something being “fair” and “vibrant” only if it is exactly what you personally want not what is good for the game as a whole.
i have said multiple times im not against cloaks and so on.
“My” cloak-fuel idea is even more cloak friendly, then the observatory.
But whatevs, i guess your entiteld to have your own opinion… Just aslong we all understand that youre baseing your opinions around your own imagination.
No, that’s not true at all.
is it a step in the right direction regarding afk-cloaky camping? Yes.
Will observatory means that afk cloaky camping now wins the isk war simply by logging in? Yes.
1 BILLION ISK A DAY !!!
Option 1: I drop a 40M anchorable structure in space to combat probe and kill a cheap 60M afk bomber, then proceed to make multiple hundred million ISK in bounties and loot the rest of the day in a system without cloaky camper.
Option 2: I stay docked all day, make 0 ISK because I refuse to drop a 40M anchorable structure, because all those structures would add up to 1B a day and we can’t let those afk cloaky campers win the ISK war.
Why choose 2?
Well… funny offtopic note:
thanks to ccp and the dbm … “multiple hundred million ISK” is not doable anymore. Not even if I’m investing in a super (+40b).
Well… it’s always doable to farm “hundred millions of isk” … but the time it takes, no joy.
the “rest of the day” is literally the rest of the day … and that’s also with big investments into skills/ship, and the majority of the “isk” is gonna come from loot/reprocess into minerals and salvage, not from bounties, so … it will take some time to liquidate it into isk etc.
so meh. no, I think I sit in the station, thank you very much.
Why choose 2? I have pretty much answered that already?
why should I activate an isk sink?
it doesn’t do anything useful. It only changes the “meta”. The problems associated with “AFK cloaky campers” are still there.
(only the new meta is less “inline” with what ccp has stated they want to achieve)
lol. what rock have you been under, don’t you read the forum?
You’ve used that argument/question before. The answer is “because that is your side of the balanced and fair gameplay”. Why is it fair ? Because a) it affects non-afk ships the least, and b) because it would take far more measures (resources/dev time) to really distinguish afk from non-afk via an automated detection system.
You asking that question is equivalent to saying “I do not want to do anything actively, the only acceptable solution is that cloakies pay extra for using cloaks and not hang around”. And that is NOT a balanced solution. At the very least, make an effort to defend your presence in a system.
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Yes, I agree. cloakers should make an effort associated with having a system presence.
(besides owning and operating an egg timer)
for the record, i dont understand the rest of your post. But I’d like to clarify that…
I would not be krabbing in a system that has a neut in it - so why should I spend +42mil isk to not krabb?
it makes no sense to me at all.
you think im driven by hate, that I would spend isk + the next 90 minutes of my life scanninig and warping around to every ship in the system?
lol. i’m not driven by hate, and if I were, i would not turn it against myself.
tl;dr.
the observatory does not make sense to anyone above average iq.
We just gonna log out of the game, and we are also growing bored of the gameplay that eve has to offer.
Sorry ccp. but there is other games out there… just saying.
so basically… ? to summarize.
I’m giving you pro-observatory ppl the benefit of the doubt here… so I’ll just say:
when the cloaky campers all come out of the woods and full heartly are support “the item that will end afk cloaky campers” … that’s when you know you fuxxed up ccp.
ps. regarding dev time… yeah i agree if that is the determining factor. change the eula so ppl not allowed to cloaky camp systems. Done.
- You can ignore all the non-covops ships which leaves very few possible targets to warp to.
- You don’t have to spend the full 90 minutes scanning. At most you do a few scans after every 10 minute pulse to cover the system for sigs you haven’t ignored yet.
The funny thing is: I don’t support this deployable either. While you feel it’s too weak I feel it’s too strong.
–It makes actives decloak to prove they are active, which it shouldn’t.
–It gives krabs more Intel passively in return for a meager ISK cost. You now know the cloaky is active or not just by deploying it, making local even more powerful. The “egg timer” argument is a joke because that is still forcing a minimum bar of activity if you want to stay logged in and cloaked. Even if you think that bar is too low it’s a huge Nerf. Before they could just leave for 10 hours but now they have to at least attend to their toon every 15 minutes instead of log in and leave for the day. Or for some people now instead of staying logged in cloaked while eating dinner they have to log out. I think with this power that local should finally be at least nerfed to region chat so you can’t 100% know what system someone is in unless you work for that Intel.
But it makes sense because of the difference in what we value:
in your krab view this would lessen your isk/hr optimization and that is the one thing a krab can not tolerate. Your right in a way. This is the same reason why krabs won’t use eyes. Why use eyes when that could be another alt krabbing! Why gain more Intel when that Intel costs ISK! You want unlimited free Intel or the game to limit your enemies so you don’t need it.
Because I value the power of Intel over the optimal ISK I do use eyes to avoid or catch enemies and I do see value in knowledge of (or obfuscating knowledge of) whether someone is active or not.
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I look forward to seeing it in action before i make a decision on if its good or bad. I do think doing nothing is not a good option. This is a good way to test the waters and see if anything meaning fully will change. If it doesn’t its just a mobile item that can be removed; instead of a new ship or system based overhaul that might be harder to remove later after its apart of integrated system.
So far the only concern is for solo capitals moving about from someone leaving an alliance or whatnot. Maybe adding a 2x cloak buff to duration after jumping would solve that. Besides that, as long as there is a cost to each unit and effort required to guard it to make it a drain on defender to use it; i’m fine atm for it to be used for a while than see the results.