There are no belts anymore in most of null. They moved the rats that used to be in the belts annoyingly to spawn on gates.
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Damn, you are right, that is fecked up…
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Not sure what you’re talking about here Algathas but the belts in Stain are fine and filled with rats.
That’s fine I said “most” which doesn’t mean “all”. If you live in the tiny bit of null that still has belts then more power to you.
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You are late to the party. It’s all been answered already in the thread. But the TLDR if you don’t want to find it yourself is single use, currently should be about 40mil, lasts a couple hours IIRC, 10 minutes to online. Fairly squishy.
It may not be that price on TQ though.
Thanks, I admit that did not read the thread because I am currently inactive in Eve and not bothering to spend any time looking in detail at recent changes hence I did not know about the belts, but from what is said by Aaron NPC nullsec is still fine.
So it is as bad as the D-scan inhib. The question of it’s use is whether it is worth doing to get rid of some plonker in a cloaked Ibis as an example, and enable a ratting income of max 20m an hour for people who have limited time to play…, it works for me as I have many billions of ISK and assets, but it would be a loss leader that is for sure.
Personally I would stop with this one use rubbish and enable it to be scooped, as I would with the D-scan Inhib. Anyway, typical CCP always do things half baked that cost you time and effort.
I can hope that they lower the cost. Still the thought of some of these AFK cloaky campers being enticed to continue because of the cost does appeal to me, it means people like me could run around hunting them, because I now can.
Most of NPC null does not have belts either. Maybe that corner where he hangs out does but that is not true for the vast majority.
If the cloaky camper truly is afk it sounds like it will get them.
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“it’s too expensive” really isn’t valid
It’s clearly not intended to be burning 23/7 and doesn’t need to be
40mil is how many minutes of null farming? Not a lot
There’s like PTSD over cloaky campers. I don’t think some of you realise how much even the threat of these screws covert ops hunters. A lot of people will stop bothering, of the people that continue, deploying one of these is likely to move them on unless they’re really motivated to annoy you.
The effort that’s going to be required for such little reward is going to make it such a futile activity
Can you keep checking in every 15mins? Sure, if you really want to, but what for? Unless the defender is totally hopeless you’re not going to get a kill out of it
please do tell how “my” idea is bad?
“my idea” is perhaps not original. I do find comfort and a stronger belief in it, knowing this idea has been proposed before.
as it’s a baller idea that would improve “the fun of the hunt”.
it’s basically the same idea as the mobile observatory, only more fun for all, more action, and more decisions to be made.
if you’re a good hunter and enjoyed cloaky hunting, you’d see that also.
instead of crying on forums that you actually had to be active and play the game and use your brain.
yeah, see… what i said to mb.
“my idea” would mean you effective camp time is minimum 3x the amount of time the observatory allows you.
so you lie.
I think it’s pretty obvious that anybody opposing the cloak fuel just wants to be afk all day, with a bot script or alarm clock, that allows them to Netflix.
“being nice” is equal to try to ridicule someone who feels he being bullied by people, just becouse ppl don’t agree with his idea…
lol.
42mil in manufacture cost - mostlikley 50-70mil on null markets.
nope.
you dont need to deploy one to do “ratting” - no one that is cloaked is gonna bother attacking you when there are 100m-5b+ ships out in the same space.
its 42 to manufacture (real cost will varry, should be +50 mil as indy bros also needs isk)
last 1hr 30 min, not “a couple of hours”
yes, it really is valid, but you don’t know that because you look at ratters as being dirty people etc etc.
max tick with the dbm and ratting changes is around 35m /20 m.
that’s however only possible with ships that are worth 4-5b +
1st. I let you do the math on how many hours of grinding it needed to pay for that ratting ship.
2nd. I let you do the math on having to pay for 1-2 mobile observatories for a 90min window to catch ships.
3de. I let you do the math on “isk/hr” for these ratters that sit in a scanning ship constantly spamming the scan button and warp around the system to find an AFK ship among 10-100+ other ships.
pro math tips; you lose isk and you never gain it “back” somehow.
TL;DR
your statement is incorrect, it’s expensive, and it’s a valid argument saying that.
Please, keep trolling the “my idea is the only way”, it’s very entertaining! But it’s still never gonna happen…
its funny how this observatory was made by, with the help off, people who NEVER rat.
and when a ratter comes along and points out the obvious flaws…
“l33t pvp” cov-ops “hunters” (aka afk campers) all band togheter to try to riducule and derail the topic best they can, without doing any debate or discussions.
It’s been debated and discussed to death already…
Main AFK cloaky thread - EVE Technology and Research Center / Player Features & Ideas - EVE Online Forums
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lol. so…
tl;dr you still wont do any real discussion or debating.
just to recap;
an actual ratter says:
mobile observatory is BAD af.
For everyone involved, for the game and for the “roadmap of the game”.
The very same roadmap that has crushed isk generating activitys for over 1 year now, all of a sudden endorse botting and inactive gameplay for the opposing faction of isk generators … ccpls.
regarding the “omg cloak fuel is sucha bad idea” … get good?
you voice your concern about 15min immunity is not enough…
but at the same time you reject an idea of cloakfuel…
TL;DR
95% of null is inactive, thus, having a cloak fuel would effectivley make be able to do cov-ops “hunting”
with 100% cloak time, of an enemy ratting pockets for 3x-13x amount of time the mobile observatory…
turns out, you just want to be afk and your not really interested in active gameplay, as you claim “15 min is not enough for me to set up the drop”… lol…
crybaby carebear who pretends that there is brain involves in covops pvp gonmna troll and throw tantrums i guess.
I Love it when someone who has no clue accuses me of crap like that. What a complete fail as I do no such things. Your false assumptions only prove even further your just grasping at straws. Meh…
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It’s funny the guy who says this:
Keeps telling us with certainty that
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Lol, no.
Even being a turbo bad, you’re making it back in less than 60 mins, with one account and no friends chipping in, which is unlikely.
Given the frequency it will be required to remove genuine AFKs, especially once these are deployed on TQ, that’s nothing in comparison to the benefit.
You’ve hit the jackpot, CCP has provided a counter to the one counter to local, they’ve made pvp in null sec more or less consensual now and here you are, still complaining. It’s just incredible.
Funny as I’m not he one complaining.
Sorry, didn’t mean you. Hit the wrong reply button
I was referring to Hug