Input broadcasting - one click/button press does many things at once
Macros - one click/button press does many things at once
I don’t think they are all that different
We were debating the merits of removing the restriction, not whether following the rules is fine.
A multiboxer with multiple screens will out-perform a multiboxer with only one. Are we going to control monitors? Some people can handle more clients easier than others. Skill is not simply removed when someone multiboxes.
Irrelevant. Just because people can use something to bot doesn’t mean they will, nor does it mean you should ban it.
2019 or so. I had asked if using a popsicle stick on F1-F8 was bannable, and then when he said no, I asked if I can bind that to a single key, and he said it was allowed so long as it just did that.
Incorrect.
Input Broadcasting: One button does one action on multiple clients at once.
Macros: One button does multiple actions on one or more clients in sequence.
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yeah, I felt like you misrepresented much of my argument. I’m not sure if there was a communication error, or if you’re intentionally arguing in bad faith. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, however, and assume communication error. So, let me try to carefully explain my point.
I believe that input broadcasting and macros are like aimbots in that they both use 3rd party code to reduce the amount of skill required for execution. Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that you’re right, and that using input broadcasting still requires skill. That wouldn’t mean that they don’t reduce the amount of skill and/or effort required for execution. I mean, if they didn’t do that, what would be the point of using them?
At the end of the day, input broadcasting and macro usage is using 3rd party code to do what you cannot (or do not want) to do. And that’s not the kind of thing I want in my games. Fortunately, CCP and a significant portion of the player base seem to agree with me.
You know, you’re trying to force other players to play how you want them to play, which is very silly.
In all seriousness, I think this is a bad argument. This is not a matter of me not appreciating play styles other than my own. It’s about me not wanting to play a crappy game. And in my opinion, a game that allows input broadcasting, macros, P2W mechanics, rampant botting, and/or other forms of cheating is a crappy game. So either the devs do what they can to combat them, or I go find a game that gives me the game experience that I want. Once again, however, I am fortunate that the devs and most of the player base seem to agree with me.
@Renly_Rohan
Hey Rohan, how do you feel about this?
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Wow. That’s a hard one. And I feel less than qualified to give a really great answer. But this is what I have:
The best answer I can come up with is that that should be a shortcut available and programmable straight from the EVE client, from the settings window.
If its not available, it gives an advantage to those who are 1) in the know and 2) have the technical savvy.
AFAIK, we can group (same type) weapons to work like that and that’s it. And the result of that? Tendency to think what you just said is not a legal action.
That said, I am never going to like it but I can’t see anyone putting in the necessary effort to stop it. I think that is a huge benefit to certain playstyles and definitely not mine, because my playstyle is not a “one trick pony” type.
And my bias does not end there either. But I know the amount of policing it would take to stop it. TOO MUCH. So it needs to be allowed but openly and easily available to all.
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We were debating the merits of removing the restriction, not whether following the rules is fine.
The restriction is because EvE is a competitive game.
If it were a single player space sim - no one would care.
Correct, but that comes from having the experience to know this. Again skill and experience - as mentioned in my original post.
OTOH, there are likely plenty of three letter agencies that would love to hear how you could control for the number of monitors without crossing certain lines…
For the scope of EvE, that’s not doable.
Hardly irrelevant. The tools give an unfair advantage in a competitive game when misused.
Some can be more easily misused, and in a game it is sometimes better to err on encouraging competition - not convenience.
–Gadget Responds
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After experience in nullsec, I saw the convenience of having multiple accounts, specially for early warning/intel, but also for small mining fleets. I voted for 11-20 thinking on the few people I know have 11 to 30 accounts. I’ve heard/seen people with 60 accounts, and I think thats too much, but if I can manage 5… I guess there might be people that can manage more.
My alts are mostly used for early warning/intel, so they mostly make passive isk (PI/Skillspoints) and rarely I get them to mine. My main does the money making for the most part.
Early warning and intel benefit me, but also my friends. With the little screen realstate I have… I can maybe see 3 clients, the other 2 are minimized or behind, so I mostly rely on sound alerts and alt tab.
I remember ppl in nullsec with AFK VNI’s and other ratting ships. Still, theres a risk on running multiple accounts, as you have to manually interact with them.
Oh god I want that!
I want to see pole vaulters on PCP, I want to see skiers on LSD, I want to see wrestlers on heroin, I want to see gymnasts on datura, it’s a never ending list!
It would be awesome if there was a roid-rage league where everyone is gigantic and pissed off at everything and everyone. RARRRRGGGGGGGG!!!
Auto racing with mandatory blood alcohol levels! High, higher and BLOTTO!
Sports would become a spectator event to me if that were to happen, as it is now I couldn’t care less.
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Easiest way to win a football match.
When the teams takes the field, one team guns down the other team.
It’s a pretty boring game after that…
–Gadget likes some rules in her sport
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I need snowshoes for all the snowflakes in this thd.
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multiboxing and bots destroyd every mmo ive loved
its like a virus but its normal these days
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It’s abused. But unless CCP is going to give back the cash, even in plex for all the acct’s that would be removed, it is never going to happen.
Except bots and multiboxers are not the same thing. There is no difference between 3 players playing 3 accounts, and 1 player playing 3 accounts other than the 1 player on 3 accounts is hobbled by the fact they have to pay 3x the attention which leads to more mistakes. I mean sure 1 person 3 accts can likely assist chain better, and have a leg up on a solo player in regards to isk/h. But if 3 players are mining, or 1 person mining 3 accounts is still the same amount of resources/isk entering the economy. You dont get some rando magical force multiplier just for multiboxing. People who have these issues with multiboxing have little or no personal experience doing it. It can be tedious, and super micromanagey. I box 3 accounts because it is a challenge. You have 0 clue how many drones I have lost over the years BECAUSE I am multiboxing. Or how many times I have lost ships due to ganks BECAUSE of multiboxing. As 1 person controlling these accounts, I still have to purchase the ships, outfit the ships, implant the characters. Skill the characters. On and on it goes.
Bots on the other hand are the devil, and need to be eradicated, and are the likely actual cause of the ruination of the MMOS you speak of.
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The poll has an obvious flaw - Those who are into Eve, which multi-boxers certainly are, are also more likely to spend time on these forums. The common player not so much. Also, Eve being what it is, multi-boxers with a vested interest in the practice have every opportunity to do the poll with multiple characters.
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Naturally, having a poll on the forums will result in a selection bias. Nothing I can do about that short of spamming everyone in game. Fortunately, however, I’m not proposing policy decisions based upon a flawed survey.
Also, I made it so that you could see who voted in order to discourage voter fraud. We ended up having some anyway, but it was by a guy who was voting against multiboxing. Interestingly, he didn’t try very hard to hide it. So, either he didn’t realize people could see who voted, or he was intentionally trying to cast as much doubt on the poll results as he could.
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i never said its the same thing
but for sure, both of it creates big problems
but since you are a multiboxer u dont want to understand it
i mean you just said everything but its sad that u dont see the problem by urself
it is how it is, but i can tell you most people prefer fair play doesnt matter if mmos or other online games/rl sports etc
call it how you want, in my opinion (and many others) this is cheating
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also we all know that aloooot of these people(not saying that you do) make rl money by selling ressources/gold/items/accounts etc
its one of the biggest problems we have in the mmorpg genre and still people like you down play it
also look, it doesnt matter if i bot or multibox but if i play 3 accounts at the same time i will mine more than every player who only plays 1 account (botting make this ■■■■ even worse and damage even more people)
this doesnt sound fair to me and no, its not a argument to say ‘‘its hard to play 3 accounts at the same time’’
i mean its also hard to hack the eve server and put all ur money into my account without ccp finding out about it, u need some coding skills to do it
you see where this ends?! its stupid!
if u ask me, im somehow fine with people playing 2-3 accounts at the same time IF they dont use any third party tools which combine commands with several of his alts/accounts and make it even easier to do that crap
like attacking someone with ur main ship and having 3-4 healing/support bots auto heal and support with you only controlling ur main ship and having programms helping you in the background controlling everything more easy etc… for me this again is the same like using a aimbot in cs
it doesnt make you auto-win the game but it will give you a unfair advantage if we think about player vs player
now we could say ‘‘just bring your friends’’ but lets say im in a guild with 20people and everyone only plays 1account and now we fight against a guild with 20people but everyone in that guild plays 5 or even more accounts… i mean even a drunk fish will see the problem
and again, it doesnt mean the multilog guild will have a auto-win but sure they will have a advantage!
The thing is with EVE, unlike many other games, is that some of the “team” activities are really pretty boring. Hauling for miners, now there is an adrenaline rush!
Because some of these team activities are eye bleeding boring it is hard to compare to other games where the content is mostly done by teams of players.
EVE is not a fancy Merry Go Round where everything is a cool ride.
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Is there a poll to answer on the level of Bias
implied by questions choices related to Multiboxing
when they in fact may be referring to multiclient in the same computer hardware box,
even though the player uses 2 monitor box to display in 4K,
or some other diversion intended to misguide the person asked,
besides the previous bias caused to them,
by limiting them to choices in their answers to the questions polled ?
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Additionally,
if the 1 character multiboxing across multiple monitor boxes,
some of those boxes perhaps acting as dud terminal,
not to say dumb terminal,
or even not to make them look as dumb as they are,
is the first character multiboxing and the limit is 1,
does that mean that the 2nd one or subsequent 2 are too late for it?
That level of detail is trivial and has no bearing on the poll.
Try to focus.
Yes, that’s what you say, but,
since it is related and you say it isn’t,
why are you saying that it isn’t when it is,
and, also, as I informed the readers from the post,
how it is applied to it,
and how it is intended to be diverted to the accuracy of the wording,
which wording is changed into other meaning,
with the same intentions that you have to try to make the info seem to be with such property as:
"trivial and has no bearing on the poll.
Try to focus."
when it does, and the level of superior focus on the subject you divert is described specifically in relation to the diversion.
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It’s like saying,
it is non-sense,
rambling,
not answering when it is,
and other attacks of the same nature.
With the same intent to give a false sense of self-control,
by misrepresenting facts to be vain by seeking to render them vain,
when they are not vain,
and , despite them being organized to detect the level of intent to misrepresent as vain, to render to be in vain,
and, also, while investigating how much efforts and administration is being put into trying to make it seem vain.
Instead of actually, stating the Multiclient as Multiclient when and if it is intended to be, for instance, specifically in this case, even without and before prior warrants for electronic warfare or any other attacks of the likes against integrity or, other potential diversions of those attacks,
even if to confuse my family, or the government I work security for,
and for which I do have a duty to them for that security,
perhaps as you do,
if we will find out from focusing on the target of your diverting intent.
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That also does not include different internet connection,
such as one from a phone company for wireless internet,
and one from a desktop with a cable modem connection…
Additionally,
since you try to focus on other subjects while repeating the same diversions about the same fact,
you include in the poll, the same diversion from the fact,
to make basis of reasonings and decisions related to those diversions,
which are as inaccurate as the other premises are intended to be,
since you yourself even just confirmed you did.
“Multiboxing”, at least in every context I’ve ever seen it interpreted, means one player logging in as more than one character at the same time.
Displaying one client across two monitors, even if by aid of a second (or subsequent) computer would not count. Logging in as one character, logging out, then logging in with a second character also would not count. Bouncing a single client connection across multiple computers (routing, using a computer as a terminal for a different computer with more powerful hardware, etc) does not count.
Even if a player is running two separate characters on one physical PC, that still does count as multiboxing for these purposes. In spite of the literal name, it has little to do with ‘boxes’ and more to do with the absolute character to player ratio deviating from 1:1.