Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

@Anthony_FatTony_Amico

So, what getting blown up in HS is not expected? If I wanted to play in a pure PVE game, I would play Star Trek Online.

@Altesse_Tsukaya

The problem with eve is it feels like a bait for more casual players who want to play for industry and pve, you might think this is boring but for me pvp is boring, everyone its own. But eve baits people in with those and then you realize you were always there only to be ‘content’ for some griefer all this time. This is what hurts so much. The game has so much potential but is stuck with this ‘full hardcore pvp’ idea. It could be so much better.

Already answered that

[Max_Deveron]

Getting blown up anywhere is expected in EvE.

If my ppl have a small fleet out for example…
and some guy, especially the ones with d1 old characters, shows up to multibox as a wallet warrior…

Then its my job with others that know how to do things to remove the economic threat, or convince the guy to join our group.

You know what happens most of the time…
That player calls us names, calls us bullies, tells us to do unsavory things to ourselves in RL.

Says he is going to petition us as griefers ,blah blah blah.

So I am sorry, your argument has no credibility here.

[Anthony_FatTony_Amico]

Gankers are not in every part of HS… Further you get away from the routes to the hubs and the hubs themselves the less gankers.

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

Yeah right keep taking exemples that do not reflect what most people experience or talk about. That makes you right in your mind i guess.

[Anthony_FatTony_Amico]

I wouldn’t want to live near jita or amarr if someone paid me 1bil a month XD So many areas in HS were there are little to no ganker activities.

Again, I would play Star Trek Online if I wanted full PVE. Everyone needs to be aware you can die anywhere in EVE. Concord avenges not protects. We consent to this by undocking. It has been a good while since I was ganked and I run incursions for a living. It has been longer since I was killed mining. Why? because I don’t mine near the trade hubs!

[Etch_Masuka]

How is asking why someone would take that kind of risk being selfish?

I’m genuinely curious as to why someone would do that

[Anthony_FatTony_Amico]

Right, we are coming to the basics of EVE here. We all take the risk and accept the risk of death every time we undock. There are so many ways to minimize gank risk and not have it hurt your wallet as hard or not even look like a good target!

People need to learn the basics of gank survival and minimization. Fit properly. Check zkill. Don’t fly with “too” much ISK in the cargo hold. Most of the time noone will notice you. Or bother to do anything. Gankers kill what’s easy some kill for ruining your day but a vast majority of them kill to make a living.

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

@Anthony_FatTony_Amico

Right, we are coming to the basics of EVE here. We all take the risk and accept the risk of death every time we undock. There are so many ways to minimize gank risk and not have it hurt your wallet as hard or not even look like a good target!

People need to learn the basics of gank survival and minimization. Fit properly. Check zkill. Don’t fly with “too” much ISK in the cargo hold. Most of the time noone will notice you. Or bother to do anything. Gankers kill what’s easy some kill for ruining your day but a vast majority of them kill to make a living.

It’s like you dont even read what i say.

@Altesse_Tsukaya

The problem with eve is it feels like a bait for more casual players who want to play for industry and pve, you might think this is boring but for me pvp is boring, everyone its own. But eve baits people in with those and then you realize you were always there only to be ‘content’ for some griefer all this time

[Etch_Masuka]

None of which answers why someone would risk months of isk.

Give an example.

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

Because they made an error? Because they bought a ship too expensive that they couldnt afford to lose? Because they arent as experienced as someone else? Why would any of these justify getting screwed so hard that the only thing left to do is to stop playing.

[Max_Deveron]

Casuals can run missions…

Eventually do some industry…

But if they get hooked and want to be part of wider EvE community and interact…then casuals need to learn the EvE basics, or join a corp/alliance/player group that will assist them and help them grow.

The casuals that do neither of those 2 things…well yeah that “individual” can hit a brick wall or tumble off the EvE cliff…and then if that individual wants to act like a carebear as well…then there is the door, dont need such toxic players in game.

[Etch_Masuka]

@Altesse_Tsukaya

Because they made an error?

There we go

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

@Max_Deveron

dont need such toxic players in game.

Agreed, lets get rid of the griefers

[Max_Deveron]

since carebears are the griefers I am glad you agree.

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

We do not agree on the griefer definition though

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

And? Making an error justify losing months of work? This is what i meant when i said gankers are selfish, not those asking for a fair game.

[Etch_Masuka]

Does making an error justify changing the entire game when other people are capable of not making the error.

I mean that sounds infinitely more selfish to me

[Max_Deveron]

ok here is an example analogy for you…

I am going to come and stay at your house a couple days a week…
Your going to let me cause I pay you a minimum monthly fee.

As a casual in your house, I start to try and change things without your permission…the drapes, getting a cat and ridding of your dog…or vice versa.

and every little thing I do that you complain about…I am going to tell you to piss off, or worse…you will try to evict me, and i will cry to the goverment, and it will tell you that you cant evict me cause i am doing nothing wrong…

How will that make you feel?
cause that is the situation we have EvE…and you are trying to advocate for those ppl.

[Altesse_Tsukaya]

@Etch_Masuka

Does making an error justify changing the entire game when other people are capable of not making the error.

I mean that sounds infinitely more selfish to me

You are far gone i see

[Etch_Masuka]

If by that you mean rational then I guess so.