Nerf Ganking Megathread

You mean Destiny(s)? :blush:

I don’t know who’s controlling me at the moment, but they’re doing an absolutely terrible job with the sphincter.

I’m inclined to agree with you, but I’m going to try to not antagonize him further.

By the way, I gave you a like because it was funny, but I will give Gith credit for having her friend’s back.

He’s been doing this for years.

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Freundschaft uber alles!

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He’s a pedanatic narcissist, who is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that he might be wrong, and he just makes things up to pretend he knows more than he does.

Hey do you think Dracvlad actually finds things amusing and laughs at them, or did they just teach him to use that phrase to try to emulate the appearance of having emotions in order to fit in with the fleshlings?

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i dunno what we are talk about that’s other aikos thing, im just here to do the next shift

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ah, xiexie, hao de

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I’ll take that as a yes. So your saying there should be an age limit on players. At what age should a player no longer be able to play?

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I heard that some player are at risk of heart attack. Its the reason why they just go miner. Maybe you should prove your eve suitability with a health check?

Are we not all old bitter vet now? xD

Nah im a spritely enthusiastic relative newcomer.

Dont you find my relentless enthusiasm contagious :slight_smile:

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Drac is a bit special.

I don’t think he is particularly bad at the game, but he isn’t very reflected about himself. For example he clearly has the white knight syndrom and thinks deep down that some things people do in the game (ganking, wardecs, scams) are just wrong. It’s extremely obvious from the position he argues.

Yet he usually openly denies it. At the same time there is clearly no rational discussion possible, as the fact that this is just a game and mechanics have to make sense in the context of keeping the game working and interesting is suddenly overruled by his urge to help the weak. And then he feels cornered and it just devolves into a troll fest.

I have seen this play out many times.

He has also a tendency for conspiratorial thinking, which is extremely funny if you are part of the target group he starts to create storries about, because he has “inside intel”. Obviously he denies that because this is reality for him.

So yeah, you can’t have a serious discussion with him about game mechanica unfortunately. But it’s not like he is the only one in that regard. That’s why I just have some fun banter and don’t even try to have a serious discussion with him.

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Or perhaps I am merely interested in making sure that the game mechanics are properly balanced so as to keep the game working and be interesting for the prey so that there is enough prey for the game to continue to be interesting… And certain people decide to make ridiculous statements like what you did.

Dracvlad, why do you respond?

After a decade, you surely realize none of us take you seriously.

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I’ve probably said this before, but I’ll say it again.

I heard about Eve from gaming news articles. They’d talk about epic battles, scandalous betrayals, massive scams, and it’s brutal and cutthroat nature -which I found intriguing. No other MMO had ever captured my attention the way Eve did. Then when I did finally pull the trigger, I was kind of disappointed. I was running the career agent missions and doing some mining, and thought “where’s all the scamming and gankers and all the good stuff I’ve been hearing about? This… this kind of sucks.” Then when I was ganked for the first time, it was confirmation for me that I was in the right place.


I would lose some more ships to stupid mistakes over the next couple of weeks before deciding, “enough was enough. Time to put an end to this nonsense.” I then proceeded to learn everything I could about ganking, ship fitting, risk management, and PvP avoidance… and I stopped losing ships. Didn’t need a bunch of skill points, a fat wallet, an army of alts, or a thousand of my closest friends. Just needed a little knowledge.

Not dying was kind of a matter of pride for me for a while. I was like, “yeah, I’m good. I’m getting it. I know what I’m doing.” But, over time, I began to realize that what I was doing really wasn’t that hard. Yeah, the deck was stacked alright, but stacked in my favor. In fact, I know longer look at the fact that my PvE’ers have now gone almost 7 years without dying to PvP as something to be proud of, but a sign of just how casualized Eve has become. The biggest threat to my PvE’ers aren’t other players, or even rats, but DC’s. And I think there’s something wrong with that.

  • Opting out of PvP in HS is already trivially easy, even for two week old newbros. They do not need any mechanic changes. If you actually want to help them, offer advice and support, and try to instill in them a good attitude.
  • UPvP is interesting and exciting to players who want to play a challenging UPvP game. And diminishing that might make the game “more interesting” to some, but it sure as hell doesn’t make the game more interesting or fun to the people who actually want to play Eve, and not some carebear-ized caricature of it.
  • It doesn’t matter how much prey is out there, if hunting has been nuked into the ground and all the hunters are gone.
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That is because you are managing your risk, there is avoidance, there is scouting there is limiting what you do and what you do it in. And don’t forget sucking up to gankers so they don’t gank you. I would suggest that you are not exactly putting yourself at risk out there and I would say that this is the case for me, because I cannot remember the last time I did SOE missions in a Paladin for example, though mine was T2 fit that reduced risk, see what I did there…

Did you run level 4 missions in a major hub in a Marauder with bling in it? Yes/No
Did you attempt to mine ice in ice systems near Jita
Did you put up some structures to do indy near Jita.
Did you use a freighter with more than 2bn in it to and from Jita passing through Uedama or Niarja (as it was.)

What is stopping you, go ahead do it.

Risk can be controlled by not risking anything, so when you say 7 years I wonder what level of risk management was involved in your success because for me risk management is what I did. I did not do things that made me an easy kill or easy target, I scouted, I moved stuff in small loads, I mined in selected systems to minimize risk, and I mined ice in lowsec. I used cheaper ships with T2 fittings and I have lost an AF only to gankers in all my time playing and while being universally loathed by them. It is called playing smart, but only playing with two accounts, which is an important distinction to make. Using only one account makes you many times more vulnerable…

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Dracvlad-Story-Time
Reference to this one shall be known as Dracvlad Story Time!

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