But apparently its really easy to gank haulers, what is it about ganker haulers that makes them safe?
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Oh, I can do even better than that, with a point that totally annihilates JJ once and for all…
Under the current system, noobs start in 1.0 systems and work their way out into the less safe areas of highsec…such as the 0.5 systems. It gives them some opportunity to experience more dangerous systems ( such as Eudama ) before they fall off the cliff edge in lowsec and have zero protection at all.
If JJ has his absurd way…effectively all of highsec would be 1.0. Noobs would be swanning around highsec totally safe. There’d be no systems at all with any risk, and no chance at all to learn how to operate in less safe systems.
So in JJ’s ideal world…noobs would effectively go from 1.0 system safety straight to 0.4 systems…and then we all know precisely what would happen. JJ would be whining that it was ‘not fair’ that totally unprepared noobs were being gate camped on their first trip to lowsec, and JJ would be demanding that PvP be removed from lowsec as well.
So in fact it is quite arguable that highsec ganking is precisely what prepares noobs for the cliff edge of lowsec. And without it, there would be lowsec noob carnage as all the totally unprepared and unshielded noobs entered it for the first time after the total safety of JJ’s highsec.
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Okay, there is a high degree of predictability due to the “DPS Race” nature of ganking, and the fact that most targets won’t do anything to thwart you (such as pull range, up transversal, or overheat mods). However, failed ganks most certainly do happen due to things such as execution errors, miscalculations, bad estimations, AG activity, or prey actually doing something smart. What’s more, all the costs involved can add up to a non-inconsequential amount.
No. Scanning alts require another alt/player, can spook targets, and you can estimate the tank of ships based on hull and common fits. Naturally, scanning is an important tool in the ganker’s toolbox, and there are definitely factors that make it worthwhile to use. But, it’s just not true that gankers always know what they’re getting into. They frequently make educated guesses, and sometimes that doesn’t pan out too well for them.
Yeah so, you probably don’t see just how common AG activity is because you don’t do things that attract AG’s. Start regularly ganking on a gate, and AG’s will become a booger on your finger that you can’t shake off. Long story short, AG activity is a factor. There are, of course, ways to deal with them. But it is most certainly something that impacts ganking balance.
Look, I’m sorry if I got a little agitated with you earlier, but I get tired of people with no experience ganking trying to explain to me how ganking works. I mean, shouldn’t it be the other way around? Of course, if you think I’m arguing in bad faith, then fine. I know I certainly have my suspicions about certain players. However, if you think I’m being honest with you, then maybe take my word for how this stuff actually works.
Whats the point about this? You complain that you cant eat enough Burgers?
The point is clear in the context, which you have ignored.
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What does this even mean? Are you complaining that you can’t read?
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Are you hermetically sealed?!
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Whats the point?
Someone should contact the Grammar police. 
Freshness!
From my observation, tornado gankers have at best 50% success rate and that only counts ship being killed, not having anything in cargo (they sometimes shoot blockade runners out of desperation of not finding anyone else for a long time and often it is empty).
Miner gankers tends to have very high success rate or rather we used to have as it took just 2 catalysts to kill untanked hulk in 0.5 and we took 4. If that hulk was tanked we used 3rd or 4th alt to kill it, if not we tried to kill another ship on the grid and take two flies with one sweep. But we were not scanning fits, that is nonsense. We were just hoping you are ■■■■-fitted, which in 99% was the case.
Essentially it is always about how many alts/friends do you have and what are you trying to gank. Anytime the ratio of ships at your disposal and ships needed is close to 1:1, there is large chance of failure (and please don’t say, they will always bring +1 more ship, that is not always possible, not all of us are excessively multiboxing, rich enough to be able to multibox and have good enough PC to handle that many accounts or have that many friends who would be willing to sit hour before finally undocking to gank some miner and then fail anyway).
I have failed to kill porpoise with 8 t2 catalysts in 2018, I have failed to kill untanked skifff with 11 t2 catalysts in 0.5 n 2018. And like 10 ganks were fail because this stupid orca ship swapping exploit. That wass 2018. This year I tried gank miner twice, failed both times because I didn’t know they buffed them so hard. I gave up on this. I also failed many times to kill even autopiloting shuttle (damn them grazes at optimal) and few times I got outsmarted and failed to kill t3d. Even failed to kill t1 explorer at the military parade site (he had actual shield tank and the moment I shot him he burned mwd and got out of my range, so second shot was graze and third was miss then he got out of warp dis and escaped).
But I am what you would call an opportunist ganker. I often roam and warp to anoms looking for a prey and as such I do not know in advance what ship I am going to kill and what is its fit. The “professional” gankers with 20+ alts are rarely failing if you don’t count as fail having your loot stolen. And even these guys are failing sometimes when they try to gank something that requires about the same amount of ships they have and it is fitted well so that amount is not enough. There was thread about Marauder pilot surviving such gank.
Also note that most gankers, including me are not posting their losses. So you are not seeing these failures on killboard, as majority of players is not shooting back even if they have ship capable of doing that. So even if we fail, it won’t be visible on killboard hence noob like you then thinks we always succeed. Which cannot be farther from the truth.
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Its equally true that the EHP of a ship will depend not just on fittings but on the skills level of the pilot. My Cilla Cybin alt can only get a Gnosis to about 54K EHP…whereas Altara can get one to well over 100K EHP. Gankers aren’t going to know that skills level, even if they know the exact fittings. And it does make a huge difference !
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Oh, am I a fool for knowing that animals have feelings and awareness? It might surprise you to know that it’s been proven that plants do as well. Knowing science makes me a fool? Empathy makes me a fool?
I grew up in Kansas on a cow farm that bought, raised and sold cows as the primary source of income. Understanding the need for food does not make me a fool for understanding that they have feelings and awareness.
Your comment re-earned you a block. You don’t get to call me names just because you disagree with science.
Using alts that are never involved in any ganks.
The reason you can’t find that is because I never said that.
I was going to ask him how his burger felt today again but…
And yes, that’s why they make stun guns as humane as possible. Like it or not and just like in the game, were all part of the food chain. I just prefer to be a wolf instead of a sheep. At least in EVE, you can make that choice for yourself.
I don’t understand. If the alt never does any gank and is not even part of the gank corporation, then how is it relevant? Yes, we do use neutral alts to combat probe you or watch you with cloak and to get “warp-in”. And yes you will not be aware of this alt name (luckily miners doesn’t cooperate so I was even looting wrecks and salvaging with this alt entire time and they didn’t tell other miners so I wasn’t exposed early), but you don’t need to. You will see the actual gank chars later and that is all you need to safely escape unless you are (semi)afk (which miners in highsec almost always are and even if they aren’t they are too busy chatting/doing PD/something else do they don’t notice.
You don’t need to know our neutral warp-in alt to avoid the gank. And there are many more options to avoid/survive gank than were mentioned too. But I am not going to tell you as that would ruin other gankers bussiness. Try gank miners yourself and you will see some shenanigens and realize that there are many ways and that it is all about knowhow and experience (as it should be).
Sorry that was someone else then probably in another thread, it is confusing how are ISDs merging them and closing them and I was reading that on mobile so I couldn’t respond when I read it.
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But she’s so cute!
“Who would want to kill so fine a wolf as I?”
Not all ganks are about profit. In fact, my ganks don’t factor that in, one bit.
Environmental activism isn’t always profitable. But I’ll gladly burn isk to save the asteroids and moons from the wonton and greedy industrialists who only care about one thing. Isk/hr.
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So, you cancel someone because they disagree with you which you claim is science?
Isn’t that like plugging your fingers in your ears and saying “nana nana boo boo I can’t hear you.”
That kind of behavior doesn’t look good for you. Just makes you look like a troll. So what if he doesn’t believe you? Are you that insecure in your claim?
So for that, you are on my, no-take-back doubled stamped no erasies 24 hr. block. That should teach you.
Speaking of, Destiny, your on my no-take-back doubled stamped no erasies 24 hr. block just because.
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