Nerf Ganking Megathread

My first solo kill was against a highsec ganker. I spotted him as soon as he jumped in system, but couldn’t wake my buddy up, who had fallen asleep. So, I reshiped, and went back to the belt. Sure enough, the ganker showed up. I wasn’t able to save my buddy’s miasmos. But he still had a retriever in the belt. It felt like it took me forever to lock the ganker up, so I refit a scripted sebo while he was waiting out his criminal timer. He came back for the retriever, but this time, I was able to kill him before concord showed up and save my buddy’s ship.

I had fun, got to play the hero, got my first solo kill, and grew as a player in the process.

Of course, the easiest way to deal with gankers is to make yourself a hard and unprofitable gank target. But you can most certainly fight back. As, Qia noted however, most have stopped doing it. In fact, so few people do it nowadays, you now have people asserting that you can’t.

Nope, it’s easy. I was two weeks old the last time I was ganked (that was nearly 7 years ago now). It doesn’t require character skills, fat wallets, or a ton of friends -just a modicum of knowledge and effort. The real reason so many ganks happen is not because ganking is unbalanced in favor of gankers, but because there is a never ending stream of guys making stupid mistakes (sometimes repeatedly).

You say that as you lobby for other people’s play styles to be destroyed, and for player freedom to be curtailed. You don’t want play freedom -you want the ability to do as you please and still “win,” regardless of the efficacy of your tactics and strats. That is the real reason you want your enemies removed from the game.

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Okay. There’s this thing called The Great PvP Debate, which is between guys who like and value UPvP, and those who don’t. They are referred to as gankers and carebears respectively, but those terms already have different meanings in Eve, and can be taken as name calling. So, I’m going to refer to them as Sith and Jedi respectively.

So, Jedi in eve have not only been asking for ganking to be nuked, but have also complained about:

  • Not being able to get the incentives of flagging for war decks, without having to flag for war decks
  • War Decks in general
  • Nullification changes
  • WCS stab changes
  • Gatecamping
  • Whaling
  • Cloaky Camping
  • Blackout
  • ESS
  • AFK Nerfs (i.e. drone assist, Orca changes)
  • Scamming
  • Ninja Looting
  • And pretty much anything that gets in the way of their ability to optimize towards boredom

And, more widely speaking, Jedi want to excise UPvP from every UPvP game in existence -Albion Online, Sea of Friends, Scam Citizen, Elite Not So Dangerous… they all have people calling for UPvP to be nuked. We can’t have any game to ourselves. In every. single. last. UPvP game, there are selfish and entitled Jedi asking for the devs to change the fundamental nature of the game in order to cater to them. And the devs are financially incentivized to listen because, as many devs, players, and youtuber commentators have pointed out, Jedi greatly outnumber Sith. So, we end up with a tyranny of the majority.

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To kill a Heron is one shot with one Thrasher. This is one second. For a hauler you need just a few more ganker-chars. One or two shots and it has to be over.

You are trying to hold up the fact that one strat for defending against ganking is ineffective for some ships, as proof of ganking being too easy and/or unbalanced, while disregarding the fact that the heron has other strats as his disposable.

The heron’s main defense doesn’t come from his tank, but his slipperiness.

The only thing you have demonstrated, is that you’re capable of some astoundingly bad analysis.

You speak with all the confidence of someone who knows what they’re talking about, while repeatedly demonstrating that you do not, in fact, know what you’re talking about.

Of course, you have said multiple things that I consider to be false, but I like this one. Admittedly, it’s a small mistake, but it’s objectively wrong, easily fact checked, and something that any experienced ganker would know. So, by making this mistake, you are basically letting people know that you are Eve’s equivalent of an anti-vaxxer. Your beliefs are based on misconceptions and misinformation, and you think you know better than the experts.

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Yes. CCP makes a big mistake there. No AIR program will help either. The game only starts after that. And this is exactly where CCP should start. A few gankers won’t do anything. Here I have to point again to the landlords and the structure destroyer farmers.

Your book will definitely suck. You lack current player knowledge. It seems you stopped playing a long time ago.

I don’t know why y’all give the American outlaw so much attention. He’s made it clear post after verbose post that he is willing to bore the existing player base to death in pursuit of some larger hypothetical silent player base that would join the game and not only replace the dead players – but have more players, somehow.

It’s almost like he hasn’t heard of the proverb “chase two rabbits, lose them both”.

He will keep predictably denying being a troll and keep patiently waiting on us, but it’s just in preparation of starting the troll cycle anew: “Eve is not a PVP game”, “ganking isn’t real PVP”, “remove ganking to get more players”, repeat ad nauseam.

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To kill a gank Catalyst is one shot with one Loki. What’s your point?

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Your question is just nonsense. What’s your point?

Boy, you have no idea at all.
Let’s all hope you’re not a secret CCP operative. Then it wouldn’t be surprising that it’s going down.

You are suggesting that ganking needs to be nerfed because victims can be killed with a single shot. The same applies to ganking ships, so…

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You are fitted to lock a Heron in 1 second?

It better be hauling plex or youve just wasted your isk losing that Thrasher.

Also, why on earth has the Heron become vulnerable to being targetted? Is the pilot not paying attention?

See, more “the more moral you are the less capable you should be playing the game” claptrap.

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No, that is not correct. Ganking can stay as it is. It’s even important for the game. Without it, there would be no thrill. And gankers also do some regulatory work. It would just be nice if they would sometimes gank with more understanding.

I love this phrase.

Can we make it into a meme?

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Yes you can. I dont mind. :slight_smile:

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Its great :rofl:

Once again you speak with forked tongue…as ganking is a pillar of the game. There is no greater proof that highsec ganking is intended ( as CCP have even stated ) roleplay than the varying Concord response times between 0.5 and 1.0 systems. The fact that Concord take longer to respond in a 0.7 system than in a 1.0 system is not some accident…you are intentionally less safe in 0.7.

And what would be the point of being less safe unless there was something to be less safe from !!

Without gankers those Concord response times are meaningless.

But ( as always ) you wont respond directly to that. You’ll just slither about.

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Honestly, how often does this happens?
Because as far as I know the vast majority of the times the target has been scanned a couple of gates before, the EHP calculated, the risk assessed, and the attack only launched if highly likely to succeed.
I wouldn’t factor this as a realistic cost.
I’d agree on your second point, if there’s Anti-Ganking activity going on, doesn’t really seem to be a common occurrence though, also because:

Sure that’s a risk, I don’t know how many people bother trying to steal the loot, but the fact that you can put it in a fleet hangar without the hauler being flagged suspect if something I strongly believe should be fixed