Let me tell it to you straight, I don’t really care what you think of me. If it is being built up or eroded or what.
What I am telling you is, is -ing on pepople’s playstyles is just a dick move. For any game. Eve, or otherwise. Let gamers be gamers. You’re the one coming into the community, and bringing “correct morals” or “actual risk” like so many other players do, and try to impose ideological mindsets and persuade people. What myself and others do, is play the game. Do the mechanics let you activate aggressive modules in high sec? Press the button, play the game.
That bother you? Then figure out how to counter-play. In the game. Trying to come and convince the rest of us that our button presses are immoral or not actually risky is just being, objetively, a meanie butt hole to your fellow players.
You’re earning the pushback you are getting. I did not call you names. I only identified what I said earlier – alts that troll and make low quality posts – and provided you candid feedback in the moment. If you can’t handle that candid feedback, fine. If you think my opinion is , fine. But it’s not about me or you, it’s about generally treating players pushing buttons not like just for playing a game with the intended mechanics, and it’s what you’re trying to do. Not a good look for any person in any game.
I’m not criticising you for pushing back I’m criticising your low effort trolly response which smack of hypocrisy.
I didn’t put a value judgement on it I just pointed out that both parties enjoy are risk adverse play style when one part was criticising the other as being ‘care bears’ which is a pejorative. That was a ganker that started that criticising the other persons playstyle.
I merely pointed out that both parties are as risk adverse as eachother so if you are going to call them carebears then you ought to consider that you are carebears too.
The only group that I have outwardly derided are the toxic salt miners which you yourself have said we all should want to go away.
You say you don’t care what I think of you but you sure spent a lot of time telling me how you are better than me because you post on a ‘main’ and I post on my alt. In actuality I don’t have a main I use most of my accounts for different things. I don’t even pvp that much on one account over another because different accounts have different skills. This account is the one I use to scavenge and shuttle stuff about. It used to be a mining account but I don’t do that anymore.
If I don’t like the person but it was a good fight then of course I give a good fight. If it’s a hollow gesture then no I wouldn’t.
Sportsmanship starts before the fight. There are people out here flying around in blobs only taking hideously one sided fights like they were shooting fish in a barrel thinking a gf in chat suddenly makes the whole thing good sportsmanship.
Common curtesy would be to have the decency to acknowledge when you are on the side with the advantage. However that is I guess lost on people who think manners are a formality and using them hollowly is the same thing as using them and meaning them.
Maybe you do mean it when you catch the three day old noob in their vexor while flying the Loki with a billion isk pod and utterly annihilating him. He’s sitting there wondering what was good about that fight that leaves him feeling the gulf in skill to entering solo pvp is insurmountable. It would be better to say unlucky to him and offer some words of encouragement.
However no, you’ve said Gf you are all good…
You’ll now tell me how you do all those things in which case why are you willfully miss interpreting a thread where i said courtesy, manners, politeness is more conplex that just saying please, thankyou, good fight like an automaton.
Gg forum warrior, you really got me there with that quote…
There are a lot of “you” statements in there and assumptions on my RL character without really knowing anything about me.
Says a lot right there, buddy.
I have been know to catch noobs unaware, toss them the GF, and then send them isk and talk with them at length about what happened, what went wrong and link resource after resource to them so they learn more about this great game, and teach them instead of leaving them high and dry and resentful.
But one really wouldn’t know that about me, especially if they come in with a holier-than-thou bitter attitude.
Thank lo I do have in-depth knowledge of the game and my rooted evidence that ganking is bad, is about as well rooted you community is at proving it is good…
There is nothing wrong with alts, they are just as important to the game as a main. You could clearly see this in the community beat publication of main and alt play time.
It would be like saying all the holding corps in Eve are not legit and only there because people in the real corp don’t want to face wardec.
You can have controversial opinions lo, it is okay from our side because we are mature adults that can handle real life. You on the other hand, get flustered and all mad and want to sick mecs on people and try do something to them because of a forum post.
It is okay we are two different people, one that needs to accomplish something in Eve they are lacking in real life and those that play Eve for the fun of the game.
Shipwreck don’t give me BS anymore, this is the weakest cry baby stuff I have heard in a long time. Challenge by adversity, have gankers go do real PvP on ships that shoot back, and watch the salt flow through the forums. Adversity lol what a joke.
The only thing people want is balance, I don’t think that is an extreme request. Balance the isk/reward as ganking and little to no risk. All your fallacies should be replaced with “in my opinion”. You don’t hear gankers complaining because it is still unbalanced. Boredom? You mean like going out and shooting something that can’t shoot back?
Agree it just needs to be tightened up a bit, and could be done easily. For example, you are causing a criminal act, you only get 30% drop chance as an example. Why should you get reward to be a criminal? Or go down the long road of pirates but gankers don’t want that either, they want to bake cakes and eat them, but call themselves successful bakers.
Unique in as a referral link with maybe a week of training if that and you are shooting baby seals? It adds no value to the game, and only drives people away from the game. Gankers want to be PvP pilots but they can’t graduate from the baby activities of shooting things that can’t shoot back. Mostly because of their personalities and it is toxic in a lot of cases and drives new players from the game.
Agree Freighters could use a few slots based on the cost, they are the most nerfed ship in the game if you compare slots to cost.
I could also get on board with this, and still like the idea of make anti ganking a LP making job so that guns and hunt down those scared to shoot at guns. I think it would make it fun and give some counter play to ganking.
Ganking removed or balanced I would be happy either way. Since no one in the ganking community is creative enough to have thoughts or come up with ideas, well, all the ideas land on those that want to balance, restructure, or remove it from the game. Even you haven’t come to the table with any ideas at all for balancing ganking. Just a bunch of BS about Jedi and fallacies and all that other crap that is okay, but doesn’t solve anything, and you can’t even come sit at the table with the idea. Because OMG what if it was wrong…well a conversation should allow people to be wrong and discuss it.
Your closing pictures are BS, too Shipwreck, they are just the one-sided story we can never get past. Oh hey everyone, I do it from both sides of the gun, I am in the middle neutral, if you don’t want to get ganked, for one of the lowest paying activities in-game, you must be the most active on. Yeah and the world will keep turning.
I am still hoping that the Chineses server is successful and it is brought here for a fresh update and we can put the rest all these forum post.
Yeah why not, I mean the vast majority of people live in high sec. From those numbers we should shrink low sec and null sec and create more space for high sec carebears. From a business standpoint this is what should be done.
This is what I am hoping to happen, it comes from China to UK server. I think it would be great and it would kill this discussion altogether. One, if more people wanted more dangerous activities maybe null and low and WH would start growing in population again. And a carebear couldn’t start the conversation over, because the answer would be go back to high sec, end of the argument.
I liked the map layout more than anything, would do a lot of things I would see as correct in the game and have wanted for a very long time.
@Kenrailae, the unfortunate part is these people just don’t get it. Trust me, I have tried, and it is all sunshine on their side, I mean making people, not like the game is what I think their goal is sometimes. It makes them happy in life, which is a condition.
I have given a dozen idea and none of them are liked by the ganking community at all. What do you expect? Easier to move all want a be PvP to low and make them grow up and do real PvP.
Did you know the majority of PvP players do not do it for isk? If ganking is closely related to PvP, I don’t think it is but your sides argument, then why don’t you do ganking at a loss? It isn’t the profit it is the seek of the kill right?
Why would you buff the crappies part of the game? Why would you spend any time at all trying to make that gameplay better?
Ganking is still not balanced and needs more nerfs, until it barely makes isk, or loses isk it is how it should go. Then I might be more willing to bend and call ganking PvP.
Some other people show up and don’t like the game the way it is.
The other people lobby to have the game changed to appeal to themselves more and the existing players less.
The other players then assert that the suggestion that they go play a game they do like instead is somehow an indication that the old guard is sadistic.
I have mentioned and trying bring it up to the community a hundred times, this isn’t 20 years ago, so we need to change or watch the game go to nothing.
Everyone plays a different play style so thinking it doesn’t need a rebalance only shows you have a different game style, and what parts might rub up against ganking may make things exciting for you and no issues with that.
-ing on pepople’s playstyles is just a dick move. For any game. Eve, or otherwise. Let gamers be gamers. You’re the one coming into the community, and bringing “correct morals” or “actual risk” like so many other players do, and try to impose ideological mindsets and persuade people. What myself and others do, is play the game. Do the mechanics let you activate aggressive modules in high sec? Press the button, play the game.