We’re Doomed, doomed I say.
Pretty good summary in my view, though maybe I’d modify it slightly.
There’s a core of people who have been posting here so long, that all we ever see anymore is the same thing we’ve seen posted hundreds to thousands of times before over the years. Having genuinely answered the same thing almost an equal number of times, it gets to be a waste of time trying to put effort into answers that we equally know will just be dismissed anyway (including by each other on different sides of a topic) and the same tired threads will be posted again.
So instead, we just pvp with each other, as that’s the only thing really interesting to do anymore. It’s been a long time since the forums provided any real value to the game outside New Citizens Q&A, which stays pretty reasonable for the most part.
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I agree with a lot of what you say, but I have some thoughts on your advice.
This needs to stop being trotted out as is. If people didnt fly what they couldnt affod to lose at some point then they would never take a chance at upping their game. This advice should be more clearly written as “When you undock something, do so understanding you could lose it on the undock so that it doesn’t perplex you when it happens.”
This is a crutch and can become very confusing if you join a corp/alliance with its own reds and blues. You need to make sure you understand how to put the standings you want to be at the fore.
Gankers recycle their scouting alts regularly. Better to trust no neutrals and learn to look out for suspicious behaviour like a sunesis sitting on a station undock passive scanning everything that leaves the station.
This isnt really applicable in an extended pve environment. For instance if you are going to stay on a belt mining where high level rats are going to regularly show up then unless you have logi you need an active tank. Same for mission running. Infact I can only see this working for haulers.
I’d be interested to know how many people are ganking based on the value of what might drop from the ship. Freighters yes, marauders yes. Anything else its probably more about the kill or about some bigger goal like drumming other miners out of the system.
Personally i’ve had some fun in the game due to gankers. My first ever “solo” kill in the game was a code catalyst using my dessie. I say solo kill in inverted commas because of course concorde whored on my kill mail. 
Yeah that makes sense I guess I might have been in the game for a while but I’m new to the forums.
With absolutely no unconscious bias whatsoever.
Or conscious for that matter.
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No one is without bias. It’s just part of how our brains process information. Recognising that bias is a different matter though.
NO
Frostpacker noticed this months ago.
Wise words.
And that would also require, a certain level of self-introspection, and honesty.
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None of this actually happened. This is the addled interpretation of someone who has a self-admitted tenuous grasp on reality and, due to ideological possession, lacks the capacity for nuanced thinking.
Oh you mean the part where you ranted for 3 hours about “following the rules” while breaking the forums rules by insulting me and being rude, and you topped it off by saying “control yourself or be controlled”? Seems you don’t really care about rules, more so, playing toxic power games.
We used to kill npc haulers in amarr, loot them and run home before Pie and Amarr loyalist turned up, we all had mutual wars then
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You failed to notice the balance suggestions I have proposed and suggested, such as additional fitting options for freighters aimed at imporving their solo play, the suggestions to make the consequences enable player interaction, the removing of tethering so that hunting can happen again rather then watching the gankers circling a single catalyst that is set to go back to the BM.
As you might have noticed, you have been personally attacked for making the posts and suggestions that you have. That is the bad faith posting that anyone who says something they disagree with get hit with. Most people under that sort of attack give up on the forums, a few like me find it pathetic and amusing and continue, what are you going to do? I think you will give up on it, which is a shame but that is what they do.
Also do note that when I am listing all the buffs to ganking and the nerfs to AG I did so to show them because the other side conveniently omit them, it is not that I am denying the nerfs, it is because I am detailing the stuff they ignore or act as if they did not happen.
So Geminus doesn’t support your proposal?
No I’m only pro additional fitting if they are unique freighter only modules that have as many draw backs as they do positives. No assault damage controls. No microwarp drives. Just something to make them a bit more interesting.
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That’s fine Geminus, as long as you toe the party line.
Sorry Dracvlad, the Geminus doesn’t support your proposal.
Well according to you I’m only here to spam and according to your behaviour the party line is just to spam the post with as many nonsense and trolly posts so that it fills up and has to close.
So I guess I’m hitting that line…
Its pretty clear the only “purpose” the thread serves is a place for ISDs to dump posts and threads they know are just arguments.
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If your intent is to nerf someone else’s playstyle, wether I think it’s a worthwhile playstyle or not then I disagree with you. I will defend their right to low risk on rails pvp.
If you had proposed changes out of a desire to make the game more dynamic and interesting that might be different but you didn’t.
Most of us know someone who has been ganked and didn’t enjoy the experience just like most of us know a ganker. For the most part they are just normal people filling a niche that has been created by the sandbox. People trot out that one person who they know or they are three people removed from that quit because of ganking then conveniently forget to trot out the person who quit because they just didn’t enjoy the grind because their friends let them stay in high sec too long.
I’m going to start wearing a T-Shirt “Gankers don’t kill people, high sec does.”
How would you feel if EVEs kings of industry created a thread that said Solo mining is harming the game? “They are flying around giving the idea that you can just take our rocks then getting upset because they lose their ships with no SRP and creating bad press for the game. Solo miners are ruining the game. Let’s propose re-balances that force them out of that play style and into play styles that I feel are more worth while…”
Think of EVE as like the Earth, it’s a complex ecosystem that has emerged through natural evolution within the sand box that CCP created. If you remove Gankers like they removed wolves from the national parks in America then you will only be able to guess at the knock on effects.
When I was a child people swatted bees that got too close lest they got stung. Now people know better but still swat wasps saying they only cause harm. People are short sighted.
I can guess what you will probably say ‘but my changes are only a re-balance a nerf to discourage ganking or make it harder’. Show me on the chart exactly where the cut off is where ganking will die as a play style and those players instead will go of to blob or something else? You don’t know because you can only guess at it. You are proposing changes that specifically attack someone’s play style in EVE when we should be protecting emergent play.
I can tell you mining will always exist because it’s built around a core mechanic. We will never not need mining so there will never not be people willing to jump in a mining ship. Therefore your play style is not endangered there’s is. Same for hauling. Mission runners? Not even close to being endangered. I ran missions in marauders for a year making billions in high sec including in one of the most heavily ganked systems there is Osmon and that’s even while giving the gankers light hearted ribbing in chat and drawing attention to myself. In all that time I’ve lost one marauder that had already paid for itself many times over.
We will have a sandbox only as long as we are willing to fight for it. If you make CCP/PA believe they will make more money by putting it on rails, taking away choice and turning it into WoW in space then that is what will finally be what kills EVE.
You want to change eve then find something interesting people can do in the sandbox to keep them interested don’t try and harm playstyles in a game with an already dwindling player base.
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That is not my intent, though many will call any rebalance a nerf.
But I did, the suggestion of fitting options for the freighter were designed with that in mind, with the aim that the solo freighter pilot had more options. The removal of tethering in hisec was to get back to the dynamic fun hunting that happened before that was introduced.
You detailed above that it was never the person who lost a Venture that quit but a person who lost his mining barge that he had just managed to get. You said one of the things that I have said, did you see how you were treated?
I spend time in nullsec and hisec, sometimes lowsec and I use WH space to move around.
There have been plenty of threads on that.
I keep saying that ganking is part of Eve, and will continue to do so, my focus is getting the balance right so it is not a turn off.
The cut off is where they decide it is, I detailed in this thread that one freighter ganker stopped playing because there were fewer and fewer big whales, which means freighters loaded with billions of ISK in value. My view was that when people carry such cargos then ganking them is always going to happen…
I ran twin Marauders in Osmon for a long time, however when the cost went up they become worth ganking for tears. I stopped mission running mainly because of the increase in faction missions made me have to refuse more and wait that out, but that along with the increase in ganking even against T2 fit marauders was the end of it.
I agree.
The AG playstyle was decimated by these changes that I have highlighted, I guess that does not matter?
I will tell you that acting like that against me will not make them like you, they disliake you for what you said anyway. I am one of the few people still giving the other point of view on the forums and who has been here long enough to know the history of the game, the people around me wonder why I bother. But hat is because it is sometimes necessary to state your views even though people hate you for it and I can tell you I have received some real hate.
I don’t care for their approval or anyone else’s for that matter. I’m pretty sure I’ve made that abundantly clear. If I wanted them to like me I wouldn’t take shots at Aiko for being the troll they are knowing that they have their own fan service on this forum.
A rebalance with a goal of specifically curtailing one particular play style is a nerf on that playstyle.
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I don’t dislike Geminus for what he says. I dislike him because he changes direction like the wind and essentially hasn’t really said anything consistent. He’s just arguing with people, rather than actually arguing a point. Does he even have a point ?
Reminds me of a certain biblical verse…"But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth! "
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