There are no valid arguments that he brings to the discussion and he is deliberately ignoring anything anyone says and only reply with the above. All he has is his own personal belief and opinion and absolute confidence in that his opinion is the only right one and we all are wrong. As such he is spamming this thread. 355 posts in what, like month? And lot of them were auto deleted because multiple ppls flagged it.
I am aware that there was some upset between CCP and the more aggressive gankers that farm tears, this is now being played out by some seriously aggressive posting by certain gankers who are currently trying to pull in real life issues as part of their meta gaming against CCP and who they see as their opponents. I would strongly advise people who want to discuss the game in a friendly fashion hold back from posting because of the current level of extremism.
Is that the way to go though? Why not lead by example and provide a contrast to the supposed extremism? Staying silent might also create the impression such is the norm without counter-example. Either way, if anything I personally would rather recommend people to post, the more people the better… hopefully. At least as long as they are meaningful posts that add to the conversation.
Above Githany posted in a friendly fashion and look how it was replied to, there is no point in even trying if that is how certain people want to play the forums. And I will leave you to think about it.
If you personally consider the other poster’s response inappropriate then you don’t have to converse with them but what you wrote sounded as if people should not even post in general, thus not even providing their insight.
After posting their part they don’t have to partake in an exchange they are not comfortable with, they stated their opinion and everyone is free to do with it as they like but at least the discussion will not be one-sided.
Maybe doesn’t make a difference though but personally I rather see all sides of a discussion than only just one. Guess maybe just a personal preference that doesn’t change anything in the end, dunno.
That is not true in my opinion. They add money, directly to CCPs wallet. Because one way or another they need to pay for their accounts. Which enables CCP to maintain the servers and develop future features.
Also you may interact with everyone one of them. You may sell them your goods, buy their goods, pay them for whatever services they offer or cooperate with them building something up. You just could not blow up their stuff any more without consent.
Would that change EvE fundamentally? Well, in the eyes of the gankers, for sure. From other’s perspective not so much, because they don’t play in HighSec anyway or at least neither gank nor get ganked, so they simply won’t care of ganking stays or goes away. The big question is: would it impact the future of the game in a positive or negative way. But thats a question that CCP needs to evaluate, I believe they have a far better data points for doing that.
Did I say I know they haven’t? They probably have in the past and probably do not see a big problem with ganking, I am completely fine with that. Doesn’t change the fact that one should do such evaluations regulary and not just once.
I just wanted to point out that it is in my opinion wrong to say someone who just plays in HighSec and has not a single bit of intention to blow up stuff or getting blown off “does not contribute anything” to the game. There are more ways to contribute than shooting or getting shot, and be it just by paying the developer.
But you then have a conundrum. A basic principle is that the supply chain for war or combat is a valid target. It would be absurd for miners, haulers, etc, to be able to cut themselves off from the consequences of all that mining and hauling…which at the end of the day is war. For miners and haulers to just be able to comfortably pretend that the end result of their labour is nothing to do with them, and for them to be able to carry out their activities in complete safety, would be ridiculous.
If you mine for the ore that makes a Catalyst, then you ought to be vulnerable to attack by that very Catalyst while you are mining. What goes around should come around !
Ganking is the one tried and tested method of making sure it does.
Completely agree, thats why I personally would make HighSec just a very small starting area where people can learn the basics, but any business there should be in no way be able to compete with whatever can be achieved in the higher-risk areas. Unfortunately you can run (Bot-)Icefleets every day, can run high-reward-missions and even the most lucrative abyssals there, which is quite absurd. You basically can make more money in HighSec then in 0.0 or WH-space if you want to, because all the organization tasks of maintaining a basic system security and intel are not nessessary.
You are completely right when it comes to the base of your statement: The activities in HighSec should not be able to fund the wars outside of it unchallenged. However, I disagree with the point that Ganking has any significant impact on that. The amount of iceminers and haulers being active in HighSec compared to the number of being ganked is so out of proportion, ganking does imho not interrupt the flow of ISK and materials out ouf HighSec by even a promille.
