I watched the video, and they said that they have conducted substantial research on this issue, and they concluded that the ganking community and the griefing community are two wholly separate communities, and that gankers are “safe”.
Despite the hysterical screeching from Lucas Kell, the reality is that gankers do not grief new players, as determined by CCP.
The quote from the video when discussing the issue is:
…then one thing we want to keep our new players and i want to talk about high sec pvp.
So griefing is something that i’m concerned about so, we’ve recently spent considerable time on, and resources on studying high sec pvp and the results are very clear there are two main patterns of gameplay.
So griefing it’s blowing up new players in new player ships with nothing in them.
The attacker gains nothing and the victim has no means to respond, doesn’t expect to be killed, does not understand why he was killed and from then on bootstrapping back into that ship will be hard and difficult for them because they don’t really know what to do next.
The verdict for us is, this doesn’t fit our cruel but fair pillar. It’s simply cruel. There’s nothing there.
Ganking, blowing up veterans finishing bling abyss gilas, orca miners, marauders doing missions this is a massive reward for players for a good kill, and the victim can choose their risk. There’s plenty of ways to reduce it but you can’t eliminate it because that’s not how eve works and they know how to bootstrap back if they lost something, they’ll figure it out so the verdict on that is cruel but fair.
Our efforts will almost exclusively focus on reducing the griefing aspect not the ganking aspect so gankers you’re safe.
There is obviously a clear enough pattern in what CCP have found that they see a griefing aspect that needs fixing, however nowhere do they say anything like (certainly not in that part of the video at least):
They didn’t go into statistics of it at all and the only literal thing is - they literally didn’t say that.
It might be the case, it might not be, we don’t know, because literally, CCP didn’t go there at all.
I assume what Lucas means by that is that he knows that the statistically highest volume of ganking is new players in new player ships, but so far we’ve not seen any statistics, so it just looks like another unverified claim made to look as though it’s backed by the math.
If you watch the rest of the video Scipio, they also clearify that ganking and griefing are two wholly different things, done by different people and different groups - yes, they are concerned about griefing, but they are not concerned about ganking. Ganking is not griefing, and gankers are not griefers.
Gankers are not going into rookie systems and griefing new players, and CCP was very clear about this, stating that they had done “extensive” research.
Yeah I’m rewatching it again now.
I dont recall them going into it elsewhere in the presentation, but I could easily be recalling wrong. So double checking myself.
There is additional discussion a few minutes before, and then he talks about something else for a few minutes, and returns to the topic.
Hence:
So if there is math behind the statement, then post it. I’d love to see it. That would actually be pretty constructive.
You’re trying to kill this thd.
That’s not true. You are just making things up.
If CCP thinks gankers are griefing, then why don’t they ban the griefers? Clearly they don’t think this, and you are misrepresenting the facts.
Clearly because CCP did abandon us.
Nope, not in this forum or the old. I doubt any player would have the data for that and CCP have never said or showed that in any presentation I recall, certainly not since 2013 at least.
They are if you are going to claim it’s statistically supported, which is what you’ve done.
Anyone can believe what they want and no one can rightly say they don’t have a right to believe it. But as soon as someone starts claiming stats support their position, then absolutely the math should be available.
Yep, totally agree. That is clearly what they are seeing.
I hope CCP don’t take that option, not because I don’t want to see them protect new players (I do), but because Malcanis Law will apply to that just as it always has in the past.
LOL did you guys leave his door open again ?
There is exactly ZERO proof for any of his claims. The proof would not wait for Lucas to come out of hiding before it presents itself. There’s plenty of people looking for proof, and they’re not all called Lucas, but they are at least more honest.
Who needs verifiable data if it doesn’t serve his purpose. That is the real significance of what is written. Data are a nuisance to him, because it pins him down.
Here’s the question.
If gankers are griefing new players, driving them out of the game, and CCP has confirmed this fact - then why isn’t CCP banning the griefers?
Clearly, this isn’t happening.
Anybody who watches the video will see the CCP dev state that the ganking and griefing communities are two seperate entities, that CCP has researched this, and that gankers are “safe” because they are not griefing new players.
LOL keep telling yourself that bruv.
ROFL. Thanks for conceding the point again 
My guy you already did and are defeated LOL.
You haven’t provided proof and are just praying at the CCP altar reverently LOL.
You got no proof to your claims, and have already been exposed for lying.
Its hilarious
You don’t see an issue with making T1 frigates immune to ganking?
Straight away being able to move around billions in faction and officer modules through high sec un molested is an issue. I could fit an incredible amount of loot in a navitas and just autopilot it to Jita.
Even hauling goods, we will blink and there will be alpha accounts in t1 frigates with cargo expanders being flown by bots all over new Eden instead of haulers because time doesn’t matter to a bot, they can just have the bot make the trip as many times as they need.
The market could get saturated by implants and other low volume high value items converted from LP all just safely flown to Jita or whatever trade hub.
That is just frigates. If as you suggest they give t1 cruisers and destroyers a pass then you have an even bigger opportunity for abuse.
Oh and those T1 destroyers you just made immune to ganking? Well that just put a big dent in if not killed the anti ganking playstyle surely.
If I’m griefing new players out of the game, why won’t CCP ban me?
Lucas has no answer to this question.
Hey guys, I got an evemail warning me that some of the arguing in here might get the thread closed. I’m 800 replies behind, and probably not going to go through it all. So, I don’t know if it’s true, and I’m certainly not here to assign blame. All I’m asking is for people to abide by forum rules, refrain from personal attacks, and to be aware that thread sniping is a tactic that some people intentionally use to shut down threads that they don’t like. So, try not to play into anyone’s hand.
I think we are all fine with the thread being closed.
6000 posts is way too many.
Yeah, honestly, it’s more fun when we see new gank whine threads pop up in GD instead of being buried here with the rest.
Plus for those of us using the forum on mobile, 6000 responses is a lot to scroll through!