Nerf Ganking Megathread

Oh…the last think you anti ganking crowd ever seem to genuinely want is to be clear. I wish you would be…then there’d be less dishonest posting.

For what genuine bona fide reason ? ‘Needs’ ? Says who ? Where is this ‘need’ coming from ? What is you actual evidence to support this ‘need’ ?

Oh yes…and here’s another CCP quote…‘ganking is safe’. ( from the 2022 fanfest )

You haven’t actually spent 2 months in the Why Was I Ganked chat, as I have, where you will clearly see that most of the extreme toxicity is not from the gankers but from the ganked. This is something I have directly seen myself…and is indisputable.

I should have indicated that by ‘decline’ I do not mean incidence. Perhaps there is more ganking taking place, or perhaps it is relatively stable; I just don’t know.

I meant a decline in the popularity of the activity, in the number of full-time gankers (as opposed to alts) - to which I believe you referred, and in the positive attention given to the playstyle by the Game’s designers.

Yes. I will assert that it’s the right of any company to make changes to its product, based upon criteria of its own devising. I may try to influence that process, but no more than that.

I’ve always made it clear that I do not love EVE Online. It is a game which I have enjoyed playing for just under a decade, but one which I would certainly set aside if it no longer interested me.

I cannot be in thrall to a confection.

Although Cadbury’s Dairy Milk Chocolate comes pretty close…

It’s not by design.

Some players just can’t handle adversity in a universe built on exactly that. I often go out hunting for fights in low, simply with the goal to have fun. I have been called “pet”, “daddy”, “asshole”, “rooky[sic]”, “bad”, “brain damaged”, “sick in the head”, and more from people I didn’t even fight. They warped off before I could engage and they avoid PVP.

Nothing provoked that response from them, they just decided to let their true nature take initiative. I just jump to next gate and continue to say nothing.

If that’s what I see in low sec – where there’s an expectation of increased adversity – I find the utterly gross things posted by gankees in Aiko’s blog wholly believable and realistic, given that there are some people that live in High Sec that have mis-managed their expectations to believe there should be no adversity.

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I’ve learned, Lucas, that apportioning blame is one way in which the Self seeks to evade its own responsibilities. It’s not that the blaming is unjustified; rather, that it frequently encourages the one blaming to ignore opportunities for self-improvement.

e.g., It is correct to blame the ganker for blowing up your fail-fit Retriever; but in doing so you may miss a golden learning-opportunity for the potential warding-off of future disappointments.

Ahem.

Indeed, that’s really the point of the blog.

It’s not about griefing miners, but showing that the “innocent” miners are anything but. They are the toxic element in this community. It’s the people who oppose PvP who are making IRL death threats and racist/sexist statements.

These people are not upset because a ‘cyberbully’ provoked them. They are upset because they are trying to earn isk/hr in a video game, and when another player (playing the game as intended) interferes with that, these “carebears” become abusive.

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Even Lucas Kell, is not here because he is concerned about griefing. This is only the ‘weapon’ he wield sin a forum war to change CCP policy. The reality is Lucas Kell is salty about freighter ganking. He wants easy isk/hr, and ganking prevents that.

If Lucas actually cared about newbros in Ventures, he’d be out there warning them, or antiganking to save them. He doesn’t care about them, at all. What he cares about is that Highsec gankers prevent him gaining easy passive AFK isk/hr.

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In your opinion :smiley:

Also another contradictory statement :smiley:

I really don’t get why you keep pushing this lie LOL. You’ve been proven wrong on it by multiple posters. Like I just don’t get it bruv :smiley:

I think he gas lights himself sometimes :smiley:

Yep. And this is a grown person doing this behavior cause of a vidya game. But its the Fortnite kids who are bad right? ROFL.

My guy, EVE has been a open world PvP game since its inception. This all the world knows. I’m sorry bruv, facts is facts :smiley:

Except ganking isn’t griefing :smiley: And actually you display your severely limited understanding of psychology :smiley:

If you knew anything at all, you’d know you cannot make such claims without an examination first. And I highly doubt you are qualified to do so ROFL.

My guy. I lived in low most of my EVE life. There are just as much cry babies there LOL.

Its possible to “grief” even more in low than it is in high LOL.

My guy, you misunderstand. The only action you’re evoking is laughter and the only emotion is pity LOL. I can’t believe a grown man like you would get butthurt over a vidya game so much.

Yep. They do need help. They need antimatter delivered to them :smiley: They need to accept the game they’ve chosen to play and learn how to survive in it. If not? HTFU and Stardew :smiley:

Mmm no it is true bruv. Its simple econ :smiley:

Nope. They’d never leave high. Learn about Trammel son. What you’ve been purposing has already been done. There is already proof people won’t leave LOL.

What you fail to understand is why EVE is declining. It isn’t ganking my guy :smiley: The picture is bigger than that :smiley:

Mm nope. He has a proven track record of it. How embarrassing for you to cheerlead a dude like that LOL.

Ganking doesn’t exist in low sec :smiley:

Hey so you gonna reimburse the noobs or

He def ain’t in Isanomo saving the noobs :smiley:

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Sure you do.

Calm down miner.

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Oh really ? I’ve literally just seen an incident where the ganker said ‘gf’ and the ganked reponded with swearing and profanity. It seems some literally cannot mentally cope with losing a ship.

I’ve never lost a ship in a ‘fair’ fight. Only recently my poor Vedmak was trounced by four Drekavacs. Do I go wailing off to CCP to announce that Eve is not fair and full of psychopaths who prey on the weak ? No…all concerned in that fleet battle agree it was an epic fight. I lost 2 ships…300m worth…and there was ‘gf’ all round.

It seems to be only entitled miners and haulers who can’t do likewise.

Do you?

I joined the channel around 2 months ago…and in fact initially I thought it might prove your ‘toxic gankers’ view. But it has been quite the reverse. All of the really toxic and abusive content is from the gankees…even as far as rl threats. Not just one incident…I have seen many. Aiko’s blog details similar such cases.

Sure, there is some taunting. But it is pretty mild. And of course there are the obvious calls for people to buy mining permits…which is perfectly permissible ‘extortion’ in the game. Bear in mind that Aiko’s crew consider that they own the territory they gank in…and quite clearly they do when they can exert power like that. That is what Eve is all about ! The entire game is a struggle for power and influence.

Lol…you seem to think that every structure is un-defended. I have 3 losses and 4 kills from when they weren’t. And two near losses from when I was late in broadcasting for armour. Not to mention several losses and kills that had nothing to do with structures.

Bearing in mind that 6 months ago I’d never done anything but mining…I’m doing pretty well. My newer accounts are advancing even faster.

Some months back I attacked a bait ship at Dodixie. After about a minute of failing to get anywhere the guy sneered at my puny efforts, trying to get a riled response. I said absolutely nothing and just warped off. See…people have agency in deciding whether to be riled or not.

Uh huh.

You’re so cool bruv :smiley:

Someone is very emotional today :smiley:

My guy, you realize you can’t stand on this pillar anymore right? You refused to give data when asked and claimed it was never needed. You can’t now try this LOL.

I dunno bruv, you say stuff without proof all the time and expect to be believed :smiley:

I just wonder what your qualifications are that you can make this medical diagnosis sight unseen. Just wondering :smiley:

Sounds like someone is projecting today :smiley:

To be fair you do seem a little emotional today. Maybe she was concerned for your blood pressure?

Prove how its griefing again? Considering Aiko is allowed to do it by CCP, how can it be griefing?

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I really don’t see anything untoward at all. And I say that as someone who Aiko and her crew would gank in a split second with no hesitation. And Aiko knows that my response to any ‘riling’ would be to just laugh it off…in fact probably to join in as nobody laughs at me better than I do. I would not be frothing at the mouth or in need of PTSD therapy. When I compensated a gank victim a week or so ago…Aiko considered it to mean I had myself effectively been ganked. Actually a fair point, and clearly designed to rile, but again I just laughed it off.

A Venture is literally 2 pence worth of space pixels. Even the Ferox and Vedmak I lost recently are barely the cost of half a pint of beer. So I’m not gonna get into a froth over losing them…and neither should anyone else over losing their ships…riled or otherwise.

And really…that should be the end of the Nerf Ganking Megathread, as its all that needs saying.

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I love when you give up and that’s all you got :smiley:

Thanks for conceding bruv :smiley:

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It’s really not though, and you know this.

There’s a solid correlation between people that are easy and lucrative gank targets in high sec and players that cannot handle adversity and are in over their head – and just need any sort of light in-game-pressure to give light to their terrible personality handling that negative event (it doesn’t need to be a gank event – fat-fingering a market order and losing millions, accidentally repackaging a ship with expensive T2 rigs, losing a blingy ship in an abyssal run, etc – you can search the forum history and see people complaining/cursing/swearing to CCP about how they’re gonna stomp out and quit “this terrible game” over these exact topics). That correlation is not caused by gankers.

Gankers aren’t mind-readers, contrary to your statement, they don’t actually go out scanning players’ minds to pick on select people.

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If you venture outside the highsec farmville players no one really cares about suicide ganking, and it’s seen as fair game.

The pearl clutching people calling ganking to be nerfed or disable are just a small proportion of stunningly entitled players trying to force changes to the game to suit them that the majority don’t want or have no interest in.

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