And yes, it is competitive, the notion of a strike is collective interest - I’m not sure in this case the changes are that harmful so would have to be compelled by another means. If they were harmful to collective interest (profit) than a strike would be potentially viable if an alliance existed.
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Sorry I might have picked you up wrong but how is being beholden to a monopoly on rigs a strike?
And threat of destruction is the very definition of force. It is the root of all authority.
Sure, you as the low-tier member might obey, but the people with the resources to build such an alliance would immediately build a second strike-breaking alliance to exploit the decision to withdraw from the market. And then you, along with all of the other smart low-tier members, would promptly join the new alliance and leave the striking players to die.
The only way to prevent people from breaking a strike is to threaten violence if they do. You have to guarantee that the price for staying in business or setting up new competition is higher than any possible profit that can be made by doing so.
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Yah, not what I meant - rigs, organization etc, BPCs as an incentive to join an industry alliance.
Your hypothetical is interesting that a second enforcer alliance might form by a war dec to pursue enforcement,
But, again, the moment that industry alliance attempts to declare a strike anyone with any sense is going to quit and stay in business because the profit to be made from breaking the strike is more than any conceivable advantage the industry alliance can offer.
Your hypothetical is interesting that a second enforcer alliance might form by a war dec to pursue enforcement
Exactly. Like I said, the primary prerequisite for a strike is overwhelming combat power capable of exterminating dissent.
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Yeah, depends - there’s levels of industry, serious industry for T2 ships and T3 takes a lot of skill points, it’s a much larger time sink in terms of training that T2 modules. The module and ammo market will always be flooded, but I don’t know how many people can make T3s, Capitals etc?
Ok, so let’s look at this scenario you suggest: few people are involved in T3 manufacturing. What exactly is the point of a strike? A strike is collective action taken by people who are individually too weak to accomplish anything. If you’re the CEO of the company you don’t strike, you just raise prices by 20% and give yourself a nice annual bonus check. So if you’re one of the few T3 producers why would you strike when you can make an agreement with a handful of other players that T3 ships now cost 50% more and nobody has the skills or logistics chain to undercut you?
And of course the claim in the OP is that the “little guys” are being abused by PvP players and need to strike to gain power. Those people by definition aren’t involved in doing anything important as individuals, they only matter because their vast numbers add up to a decent share of production.
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Yeah, strike isn’t the answer to being ‘ganked’, I’d join an industry alliance on my industrial characters and help provide a defensive blanket - so long as the alliance was serving it’s members. Have no desire to be part of someone’s ego dreams in Eve, but more than happy to park Orcas with shield reps and command buffs to help the little guys.
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Yeah, a lot of people see Eve as brutal-competition, but for the people I run with there is a lot more benevolence, while still competent - gotta have a bite in Eve - otherwise you get eaten. And the bite, in effect is what you were talking about with coercive force. I find it interesting in threads that have a flawed idea, but a good intent, to explore if there’s any salvage in the idea – I.E, an industry alliance has some appeal beyond strikes.
Your comments are welcomed and the discussion too, there’s a lot of smart people on Eve, but the forums are often another kind of keyboard PVP.
The SP requirements are probably far lower than you imagine, and you need to account for how easy it is to scale production in Eve. Running two characters worth of production is twice the output, but nowhere near twice the effort.
This is ESPECIALLY true for things like cap ships, where you can queue up very long/max length component jobs on alts and then ignore them for a month. Once a month you log in, deliver your jobs, install new ones, and move on to the next alt. It’s not zero marginal effort, but it’s damn close.
Some of those starship engineering to 5 take some time, I’m doing them now - I did all the processing to 5, working on some of the encryption to 5. It’s not that short 
Sorry, but they’re actually quite short in the grand scheme of things. It’s about 3.5m SP to start building Tengus from scratch.
It’s about 2.5m just to barely sit in a tengu, you’ll basically be at parity with production SP requirements once you max out the subsystems.
It may feel like a long train to you, but relative to most things in Eve? You’re talking about <10 skill injectors to just stand up a new alt.
Not talking about sitting, I’m 90m SP on my main - I’m talking about production - industry.
Yeah, and I addressed industry.
Probably why you think this is hard is because u no reed so gud.
And then you have all of the core sub-systems to actually build out the rest of T3, then there’s the Loki and the Legion.
About the only significant additional requirement for subsystems is jury rigging 5, but it applies to all of them.
You’ve picked a bizarre point to argue, tbh… it’s just an objectively small amount of SP.
If you want to persist in believing it’s somehow burdensome to scale more alts for T3, go ahead, but it’s clearly not.
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25+ days for Caldari V for Tengu Blueprint. Then there’s the other races. Then there’s the subsystems - another 4 of those at 25+ days for T3 each. So that’s 200 days on top of all the other industry skills that you need to be efficient to produce cost competitively. It’s not an insignificant investment in time.
And… It would take even more SP to fly all of those things. A lot more than it takes to manufacture them. That makes manufacturing, relatively speaking, pretty cheap on the SP.
Are you… not familiar with the definition of relative? If you’re not, just say so and I’ll tap out, I’m not invested enough to try to carry you through third grade vocabulary class.
so youre saying i should wait for the strike and start selling things? thanks for the heads up! I’ll be sure to fill your shoes and make some money off ya doing it