New market update potential economy collapse

It’s too bad that CCP kicked their actual economist out the door. There’s a large explanation pertaining to market collapse conditions that would be helpful if explained by someone that lives in the economic teaching world such as he probably did.

The short of it is that changing critical conditions in a financial market doesn’t always result in an immediate meltdown. It’s actually a long-term benefit if the change DOES cause a quick meltdown because that meltdown will usually be shorter, visible and provide a quick, harsh lesson that ‘decision makers’ will often react to before the effects can harm their own interests.

When the change does not cause a quick, visible downturn, it can be much worse. The results then don’t get stopped, the effects able to cause a series of cascading changes that set things up for a much more massive collapse. Think in terms of the problematic financial regulation changes in 2003-2005 that set the stage for the ‘lower visibility’ financial crashes and adjustments in late 2006-2007 that finally resulted in the massive late 2007-2008-2009 recession that has taken so long to really recover from.

EVE Online’s market system is so massive that a comparison to a complex RL system is warranted. The delay from this freezing of liquidity isn’t because nothing is crashing, it’s because the ‘lower visibility’ crashes take time to coalesce into a more massive wave.

I mention the freezing of liquidity as that has often played a role in bringing recessionary conditions. When banks stop lending to each other and to bank customers, that brings a large halt to money flow AND to the operations that used that money flow.

In EVE, people often put their financial liquidity into ships, equipment, etc, or the manufacturing of said items. If it’s for the purpose of selling said items, then they need to be able to make that isk back in a reasonable amount of time in order to keep making more. With the old fee system, even if it was a hassle because of 5-minute 0.01 isking, it wasn’t a massive financial risk to place things up for sale. You either could keep the item up at a minimum cost or you might be able to sell it to a middleman (station trader) that would put the time in to sell it. The mechanics for doing so wouldn’t financially break them.
This benefit extended up and down the supply line for complex items.

Now, because of this broker fee change, ALL of that has been massively affected. It no longer is going to be economically viable for a great part of the population to be a part of the market in this way, especially if a trend I see starting becomes widespread. One could mission in order to bring isk in so that they don’t go broke trying to make and sell things (often at a loss if they don’t want the item to sit for a year), but that massively changes the conditions of gameplay for the manufacturer.

The trend I’m already seeing is a tactic by the ‘deep pockets’ to manufacture complex items en masse, and then place them on the market at substantially below the cost of making them. This pretty much drives out any smaller competition. The next step after doing that would possibly be to raise prices massively so that players must pay much higher than normal for access to that item, or if one likes to watch the world burn, remove their listing altogether, knowing that the competition isn’t ready to fill that void for some time. If, after some time, the competition begins to rise again, repeat the cycle.

A lot of words to be wrong, but okay.
Let me know when the economy has actually collapsed.

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Remember folks: “THE MINERALS I MINE ARE FREE!!!”

Now on to max profit$

Hmmm… As I mentioned in another post, I also check out Reddit’s Eve Online forum/threads. I can see what they mean by toxicity. I chuckled a bit when it was complained about in games such as WoW, but I figured that in Eve, the playerbase would need to be generally more mature. The toxicity directed toward anyone with a post longer than 3 sentences seems poor.

Is it a mistake to treat certain people here as though they might be mature, whether adults or not?

I like how this entire comment was completely off topic in some weird attempt to make yourself feel better.

Please come back when you have evidence that shows the economy is collapsing. I’m still waiting for it.

Thez marketz hez collepzed, the onlieh remainingz itemz are 5 unitz of saltz andz 42 towelzzz.

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And a sticky Z key.

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Just Put Fare price from the very begining! yea

Fair words of a wise man ( or woman, transgender or otherwise ).
Im an object lover, I stroke my 747 every morning.

Market collapse in 3-2-1-done !

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Day 10
still no economy collapse…

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I’m very aware that the post I’m replying to wasn’t put there for an actual discussion of the market, and I’m also aware of CCP’s complete silence on the broker fee change.

However, other readers do seem to appreciate actual discussion so I’ll try to be of benefit for those.

Scoots Choco

4h

Day 10
still no economy collapse…

Players who didn’t understand the unhappiness over the broker fee change before, have been learning as time has gone on. We’ve seen the comments as new harsh lessons have been learned over the last while. People are still trying to make it work however, but again, being shown what the deep structural problem is with this order change fee. Those familiar with the market can note interesting trends in pricing and sell orders.

Being a game instead of real life, the ruination of the economy is both a possibility, but is also an easily recoverable mistake, if caught while the game is still playable. A game tilted too far away from the old player-driven economy, in favor of a much more microtransaction driven economy will probably not be very playable for most of EVE’s normal population, however.

Again, I’m not commenting for the benefit of the person that has previously demonstrated a lack of interest in any real discussion beyond trolling, but for others that might not comment, but enjoy reading. I can almost draw another comparison to the precursors to the 2007-2008 financial crash. Highly negative and unethical actions were being taken by powerful financial entities in the years leading up to that event and it’d be almost expected to hear an onlooker or decider at those critical times say something along the lines of “See? We did this unethical or unwise thing and the financial world just keeps going along, so everything’s fine!”. Repeat that sentiment over and over again up till about the summer of 2007 when it was getting more obvious that massive problems were about to boil over.

So it is with the game’s market. We have all those 90-day orders that now have a massive penalty attached for relist changes that are ticking down as is. Those are currently obscuring a good deal of the change in behavior, but one can see a lack of resupply coming up over time.

Day 10 or 12 isn’t as interesting as day 20, 30 or even 40 will be. Or as frustrating for players that just wanted to equip a new ship and will be discovering purchasing challenges that were not present in the past.

LOL oh my god. The pathetic “real life economy” parallel attempt.

Don’t you worry friend. I’ll be here to remind you that you’re wrong every step of the way.

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{citation needed}

Where is anyone, CCP included, talking about a microtransaction driven economy?

I can almost draw another comparison to the precursors to the 2007-2008 financial crash.

You could. Of course one key difference is that in the real world we care about the people hurt by a crash, while in EVE it’s survival of the fittest and completely acceptable for smart players to get rich at the expense of everyone else by exploiting the new system. Nobody is going to be homeless because they lose at EVE, so why should we care about “fairness” or “ethics” in the market?

Scoots Chobo is literally the kind of guy shouting that Coronavirus is not even as bad as the flu because less people died from Coronavirus than the Flu.

He literally has no concept of time and space, and is a total MAGAt.

He real money trades for isk and thinks this makes him successful.

Well it was fun for the last 10 years or so, Ever since the Gila nerf it has been getting potentially worse.
Nothing left to do now but sit back and watch it explode.
Now would be a good time to cash out.
Me thinks.

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Don’t need to when I’m rolling in ISK from the market thanks to the new changes.

But you’re free to be a complete moron and make false accusations. If you think I actually RMT, I dare you to report me. Put your money where your mouth is an put in that report.

Let’s see if you’re willing to risk submitting a false report based on your unfounded accusation that I RMT. Bring it on, child.

No you just RMT lol.

I don’t report RMT - I think it’s valid. I just think you’re a buffoon for thinking it makes you successful.

Our definition of RMT is probably different. I mean you buy plex and sell for isk. LOLOLOL

It’s valid, but it’s buffoonish to think of yourself as some kind of “game master” because of it.

Without seeing your monthly expenses we have no clue what your real income is.

And without seeing your income/expense make-ups we have no clue if you’re just boosting them by trades.

Recall I was turning over 30B a month just moving Pi around.

I’m waiting for you to grow the balls and put in a report to CCP.
Bring it, fragile child. Let’s see if you’re willing to abuse the report system to put in a fake report that you have no proof over.

Until then, you can go sit down and suck on your thumbs, hoping for someone to care about you.

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