Nullsec Ratting in a Myrmidon

I have gotten myself a myrmidon to try ratting in nullsec, but I seem to be unable to tank the later waves of the forsaken rally points in both a double and triple rep fit (132hp/s + 325dps and 198hp/s + 291dps respectively). Can someone explain how I am supposed to run these sites in a myrmidon?

Are you using ancillary armor reps and carrying a mobile depot to adjust your tank in dead space?

I am not using ancillary reps because they require paste and the reload is too long for them to be substantially more effective, if not less effective. I am not using a mobile depot to adjust my tank because I have never heard of refitting while in a site and I’m not sure how I would adjust my tank (if I actually need more tank and I am not just an idiot, then I would rather leave my ship with like that for the duration of the site).

give precisions
link your fit
which npc types?
etc

if this is your fit: https://zkillboard.com/kill/84717381/
i would suggest you to remove 1-2 armor rep, to fit specific armor hardeners against the damages dealt byt the npcs you face, and to warp at 70 so that you largely reduce incoming damage
do you warp at 0 or at 70km?
do you use sentries or heavy drones?

My fit

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Ogre I x4
Hobgoblin I x5
Hammerhead I x5

I am fighting Sansha rats, I warp to 0, and use heavies, but I can switch to sentries if that would be more effective. I will try this fit and warp to 70km:

New fit

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental Enduring EM Armor Hardener I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental Enduring Thermal Armor Hardener I

Parallel Enduring Target Painter
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Praetor I x4
Acolyte I x5
Infiltrator I x5

Tracking Speed Script x1

Seems to be a go-to fit on z-kill. Assuming you would orbit @50km or such and AB around

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon-ratter]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script

Auto Targeting System I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Praetor II x5
Acolyte II x5

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Because of drone aggro I can’t drop my drones until they have already targeted me (and they still go after my drones), so I couldn’t kill them before getting in close. I didn’t try the 100mn fit because I have a hard time believing that a battlecruiser can speed tank. I tried to solve this by using wardens to kill them before getting in close, but I could only get 66km range with them and not enough dps to kill them before they got in close and dealt full dps. I guess I will have to get a Dominix.

Then don’t, it’s your choice. Like nobody uses that fit :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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Your DPS and hp/s numbers are awful. Here are two choices:

[Myrmidon, C3 Shield]

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier I

Drone Link Augmentor I
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Acolyte II x5
Federation Navy Ogre x3
Federation Navy Ogre x2
Hammerhead II x3
Hammerhead II x2

Numbers with Level 5 skills: 354 DPS with drones only (2 Hammerheads and 3 Fed Navy Ogres) with shield recharge of 856 ehp/s… So if you use the rails, you’ll get more DPS.

[Myrmidon, C3 Triple-Rep]

Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Armor Command Burst I, Rapid Repair Charge

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Acolyte II x5
Federation Navy Ogre x3
Federation Navy Ogre x1
Hammerhead II x3
Hammerhead II x2

If you prefer armor, this will get you the same DPS numbers… the ehp/s is a bit different: 627 ehp/s without Command Burst active. Activate the Command Burst and you’re looking at 713 ehp/s.

Yes, they’re wormhole fits… Pretty sure they still work in null.

EDIT: Quick thing about how you should operate. If any drone starts taking damage, you immediately bring it back into the drone bay and put out another. Just cycle the drones as needed.

I changed the armor fit a bit and it is working well. The only problem is that everytime cruisers or frigates spawn I have to call in my drones 2-3 times per ship. What happens is I wait for every rat to redbox me, drop my drones, they go through the shield of whatever frigate/cruiser they are fighting, get shot, pull in drones. Repeat that again for the same rat, then that for 1-3 frigates/cruisers. Then when I finish the wave and pull in drones, the next wave targets one of my drones while I bring them back. I have to warp to a structure to repair my drones so I don’t lost them. How do I prevent the rats from repeatedly targeting my drones?

You really can’t prevent them. What I do is I just cycle which ever one they are attacking. If they attack an Ogre, I pull it back and throw out the one that’s been in drone bay. If need be, you go to mediums and let them do the work if your Ogres are getting chewed up too much.

You don’t need to pull in all your drones, just the one they are attacking. You just juggle them.

You can speedtank in a Battlecruiser. I used to run L4 missions (and the Gallente Epic Arc) very succesfully in a 10mn shield tank Gnosis putting out 600-700dps. Yes you have to kill off frigs quickly to avoid them killing your drones, but you can get in close to BS to mitigate damage and kill them more quickly with higher dps ammo. Just plan for frig spawns and recall drones to pull frigs directly towards you for guns.