Well, you should have started from that, because I had a bad misunderstanding that you do otherwise. And for that I bring my apologies as well, and for calling you a junkie or addict. I was wrong, and if my apologies are not enough or the insult was too grave, feel free to challenge me to a fight. As an officer of the State I am ready to answer for my words.
Unfortunately I have had a lot of bad experiences on these boards with certain degree of unintelligent absolute scum who pokes out into discussion just to speak a random crap about me instead of offering any idea for actual discussion or contribute the topic being discussed. I bet youâll see such idiots very soon if you havenât spotted them already.
As for my competence, I know what I know, at least to a degree to participate in conversations on quite a wide spectrum of a topics for a soldier, if you feel like I was misinformed feel free to correct me.
Isnât it what happens when you overdose a recreational psychoactive drug?
Oh yea, weâre terrorists, I totally forgot Sorry I mistook that for being adressed at Republic and Minmatar in general. (Heth is technically a dictator)
No harm done, soldier. Nothing Iâd qulify a grave insult in these circumstances and specifically seek vengeance. If our paths cross thou, Iâd be happy to shoot you
No, not really. That usually happens with chemically produced narcotics which can be highly addictive and thatâs what usually leads to overdoses. When you overdose with a recreational mildly psyachoactive substance, worst case scenario is nausea, migraines, tachycardia. Lethal cases are exceptional and usually have other factors to it rather than direct tissue damage from chemicals.
There some substances that are highly toxic. Like Yetamoâs poison for example. But I donât know what kind of person would use that for recreation. Presense of a sober person, who knows what to do if it goes south, is also highly recommended with things like that.
Hmm, well, negative on that, I am definitely not a politician.
I am a soldier and I do execute commands of my superiors and keep loyalty to our Glorious State. Duty, Honor and Loyalty are more important to me than my life. Yet with all that I am a human and I do have my own head on my shoulders, I have my own opinions and I think for myself - which is a crucial trait for a soldier. Commanders donât need lemmings who jump the gate into a camp, commanders need soldiers who know how to solve military tasks and execute orders efficiently.
And for sure my guns are not for âjustifying my governmentâ, my guns are for protecting our glorious State from foreign invaders, defending lives, corporate territories and property, punishing criminals, preventing destruction by causing destruction to those who wants to bring it to us, and so on. Just for practical tasks, not for some ideological â â â â â â â â or justification of something.
Justification I prefer to do on words, and, you know, itâs actually inspiring to realize that we are in here actually good guys and that we are fighting against the evil in our cluster. It makes me want to kill the evil ones with greater desire!
First, how is this related?
Second, is there anything wrong in that?
Third, he was a very good dictator.
Fourth, our cluster really needs more good dictators!
Well, as I have said from the start, there are many different mechanisms of the psychoactive drugs and I donât really know them all. I do remember, however, there are some hallucinogens that work because they separate parts of brain from each other, they were called dissociative hallucinogens. And as I imagine functions of drugs is blocking of receptors, or maybe binding the mediators, or maybe binding or inhibiting the enzymes that synthesize or decompose mediatorsâŚ
Iâd say itâs hightly recommended to not try this â â â â at all. There are way more fun methods of getting adrenaline than pumping a brain full of some crazy reptile toxin.
Yea, it was the symmetrical response for calling Shakor a criminal.
Wrong? Well, he didnât come to power in result of legitimate procedure of his State. It is wrong by law, even itâs set right through legal loopholes. Is it wrong from perspective of whatâs better for his people? I dunno, upto to you, folks, to decide.
A respectable person, aye, and a talented leader.
I aint the one who believes that governments are ever what they say they are. And that any law is perfect. Thus good dictators and good criminals do exist.
That sounds a lot more like it than irreversable chemical burns.
Told ya, these are not for having fun and get adrenaline pumping.
Not exactly! Being criminal is illegal and widely considered Bad. While there is nothing wrong in being a dictator!
Wrong!
The revolt in the Armor Forge was illegal action, but following it come to power was absolutely legitimate in the State. He got control of his first corporation because someone else bought the shares and transferred to him. Thatâs legal!
And he became Executor of the State because the CEP has appointed him. CEP made the chair, CEP has dissolved the chair, itâs in their power to do so.
I would disagree with the second part!
Good criminals donât exist! If they are good, they should face the tribunal and answer for their charges with Honor and take the punishment instead of staying a criminal. Thatâs what good peopleâd do!
Most of these are still quite reversible, itâs all about how much punishment your tissues can take. It becomes quite permanent once the chemical binds itself too tightly (for example, CO to blood cells instead of oxygen) or if the damage is so large that the regenerative reserve is not enough to cover it. But in any way, there are still no guarantees that everything will be regenerated as it was beforeâŚ
Same instructor was telling us that after chemical psychoactive treatment (even reversible) a human stops being himself and a new personality emerges. But⌠itâs already a more philosophical part of a problem.
That could simply be seen as an oligarchic conglomerate of 8 fascistic entities, each wielding unilateral control internally. A case can be made that dissident/protestor tolerance is purely performative in nature, allowing the masses to be their own gladiator/clowns in the âbread and circusesâ math.
Political crimes are not really âwidely considered badâ. The are viewed as such only by regime imposing criminal status. He is viewed as a criminal and a terrorist by Amarr Empire. To his people he is a Freedom FIghter.
Nothing wrong. As long as youâre completely fine with putting fates of your beloved ones in the hands of one individual posessing unlimited power. If you are using term âgood dictatorâ, youâre sort of implying they are not always such. Do you see how the term âdictatorâ is esentially compromised?
Exactly what I mean by âset right through legal loopholesâ. An authoritan leader who came to power by an armed revolt. You can set pretty much anything legal.
Okay. Disagree all you want. As I said no law is perfect. If an honorable person is bound by law to do honorable actions or prevent dishonorable ones, staying within these boundaries is a crime against their consience.
As far as I know the physiological effects, as in âdamage to tissuesâ, are not that large here. Unless the chemicals in quiestion are particularly hazardous ones and exposure is especially prolonged or frequent. It is more about mental effects. As many pcychonauts say, âThe consiousness once expanded can never be contracted againâ. I understand youâre not a fan of this kind of wording, but what it means - itâs the personâs perception that is irreversibly changed. Nothing terrible in itself, just means that it becomes natural to view things more widely, but your old acquaintances might say that youâve become a different person. Sometimes people discover new talents in themselves, or realise theyâve been doing what they hate to for whole life - one might give up their corporate career and suddenly become an architect or a musician. So the implications here are mostly sociological.
Well maybe some did use it that way, who knows? But usually thatâs not the point. Iâd rather not start another another endless discourse about what psychedelic experience is valued for. Letâs just say itâs a spiritual thing. One must see foe themselves if they need it, how they do it and for what purpose.
Gotcha. Lower Worlds explorer then, huh)
Doesnât vodka supress it thou or is that exactly why?
The combination I semi-jokingly pointed you too is kind of along those lines as well. But itâs stronger and the yetamoâs poison makes indeed quite dangerous . Alcohol doesnât fit in well too.
That might be true, but the fact is that he was a criminal even before he became a politician and a leader.
He was a raider.
Freedom Fighter is a synonym for a Terrorist. Freedom Fighters are illegal in the territory of the State and considered as either criminals or suspects of criminal activity.
I personally consider Freedom Fighters as an irrational violent murderous freedom cultist sect.
Just as any leader. But, honestly, this argument⌠If youâd call someone a good human, there will be implication they are not always such. Would you consider the term âhumanâ to be essentially compromised?
Thatâs not really true, coming to power by an armed revolt would involve violent takeover of power. Only thing he took by armed revolt was a small production facility.
And as far as I remember, they didnât even kill anyone when they took the facility, because they didnât want to spill Caldari blood.
A Law is a Law. If you enter a terriroty with a law as a civilian and not a soldier of the organization who is in state of legal declared war with that territory you accept the laws of the said territory as is, wherever your consciouseness say you they are right or wrong. If you consider these laws unacceptable for you, you shall leave that territory at once. If an option of leaving the territory at once is not available and following that law would violate your Honor, as a Honorable citizen you shall take your own life.
If you have to violate the law in a particular case because your Honor demands it, you shalll willingly submit yourself to a punishment for the violating that law as it is dictated by that law. If you pay for your crimes in full, you are not a criminal.
If you enter the territory under a hostile banner with your own laws, youâre not a criminal.
But entering the territory peacefully or in a violent manner without war declaration means accepting the laws, breaking them and then hiding from the justice is a dishonorable coward behavior.
I despise criminals like gurista and donât consider them to be worthy.
Well, majority of substances are hazardous in certain concentrations, and even strongest poisons are safe with very low doses. It all depends on how does it metabolises, how fast removed from the body, or how much populated and critical the active centers that the substance attacks. A human body can live missing an arm, for example, but tearing apart aorta will cause death in seconds.
Well, as Iâve mentioned it above, itâs a chemical alteration of a person. Old person is gone for good, new one arises, something like that. But again, itâs more about the philosophy.
Thereâs scale of how much power is concentrated on the leader. And how thus subjective is their vector of rule.
Oh, hell yesss
An illegal uprising is still an illegal uprising. You can call it âjustâ or âgoodâ, but it is still breakig the law. Itâs only natural for a revolutionary to try to remain humane in the eyes of common folk.
Imagine a criminal cartel kidnapped your family and you are not backed by any military or judical entities. The said cartel is also considered a legal organisation within its government. Would you simply âleaveâ? Or came to their premises by yourself with a banner and a sword and be shot or most likely just laughed at? Or would you rather gather a bunch of friends and attempt a diversion?
Indeed. When I say âparticularly hazardousâ I mean, in relevance to other.
Chemical alteration happens every day, in a less radical manner, but still. âYou are what you eatâ. Weâre becoming sligtly different, chemically too, every single day. So âold person is goneâ is basically a dramatized way to put a natural thing.
White the terrorism itself is not an illegal activity, but illegality of a cult because of its illegal activity is a matter of fact.
And naming someone a terrorist as well implies facts of them using a tactics of terror. Perspective is irrelevant.
And if you call someone a terrorist without them actually being related to terror operations, that wonât be a perspective. That would be either a deliberate misinformation or just ignorance.
Well, I am not implying a âDominus et Deusâ degree of power. A proper dictator shall rule in accordance with laws, and said laws should be set for the same dictator and those whom he rules.
But more important is not the degree of the power, but how benevolent the man who is using it!
I think the State has the best solution to prevent ignorant or egoistic fools from being ascended into leadership: Only the Merited Shall Rule
WAIT A SECOND! If they are criminal they canât be legal!
Technically you shall report them to a law enforces for them to take care of the situation, vigilantism is heavily judged!
On the other hand, knowing how vengeful and militant I can getâŚ
Yeah, a banner and a sword is a likely situation. But also with orbital bombardment, drop ships with war machinery, space and aerial fights, full scale ground invasion, barrages of artillery strikes, tank divisions and ending with thorough cleansing of the facility with CQC.
A properly executed point rescue operation can take minutes and will be finished way before the main forces will come to support, leaving just bodies and smoldering wrecks behind. And with proper planning and jamming of communication lines they will realize what happened only after it happened.
Diversion is not my style. Full head on confrontation is where it is!
You have a point here, however what I meant is a direct chemical change of otherwise balanced self-replicating system. Thatâs why majority of medicines can be fit into a category of xenobiotics.
Please. That word is played with by governments however they see fit.
A dictator is, by definition, a political leader in possession of absolute power. That includes judical power. If the law doesnât fit dictatorâs intentions, the dictator can change the law.
So it comes up to trust people put in their dictator and hope that the dictator is in fact a man his reputation says he is and that he wonât eventually betray that trust.
You see, the term âcriminalâ sounds as wrong to me as the term âdictatorâ to you. Either term is a compromised one and it all comes down to the personal qualities of the man in question.
Okay. Theyâre a legal entity. Operating in a way a criminal cartel does. Their actions are turned a blind eye upon by the authorities and their status within their society is a privileged one.
Weâre supposing youâre not in possesion of military might, remember? Only if you gather associates and gear yourself.
Sounds like a diversion to me. Or a raid. Depends on the scale.
But any way, those actions would label you a criminal. Your actions were valiant and honarable - your family is completely sure about that. But you are now are criminal to that regime and society. Is it wrong being such criminal?
Well, since itâs self-replicating system, it comes back to balance in these radical cases as well. Just gotta be sure not to inject potent chemicals daily like theyâre morning porridge
Sorry I mistook that for being adressed at Republic and Minmatar in general. (Heth is technically a dictator)
