Oh-- is that the kind of torment we’re discussing? Hm. That still seems to imply a sort of miserable eternity though, even if it’s not spent actually on fire.
Mostly if it turns out that I do meet and stand before God I hope He’ll entertain a couple questions before He obliterates my soul. There are things about His world I’d like to ask about, even if the answers won’t do me any good.
I mean, as bleak as life without God is, it’s a little harsher than just that.
But I do appreciate that you have an interest in meeting with God, it actually makes me smile a little. You know, there is an easy way to make that happen. Just imagine how wonderful it would be to experience Paradise, under the safety and love of our creator! You’re so close to understanding, I know it! It’s never too late to turn your life around, Aria!
… Likewise I appreciate that you have an interest in aiding others, my lady. Some, many, seem mostly to enjoy asserting and inflicting their dominance on those they consider lesser than themselves. It is good to meet those who are sincere in their wish to help others to the light, even if I cannot see that light myself.
I think you will find the months and years ahead difficult, my lady-- the truths of this world are thornier and more densely entangled than you seem to imagine them. I hope that your faith and goodwill will hold, and will look forward to seeing where your path takes you, my lady, and how it shapes you.
Thanks for the tip. Though maybe I should have just answered “yes, yes, and yes” which would also have solved the problem. One always thinks of these things too late.
Given that you believe that the Amarr God is a natural being like a space monster, do you think it would be possible for the Minmatar (or anyone else) to launch an expedition to attack and destroy God? Are you planning such a mission, even at an early stage?
Given that, I expect yes. What exists, can cease to exist.(1)
I would rather cure God than destroy Him/Her, but obviously there are people with more straightforward approaches who might succeed first. It is also possible self-defense will lead to death of God as we know Him/Her before any cure can be attempted.
(1) There are, obviously, things whose cessation entirely would be very hard to accomplish, and catastrophic to the universe. Depending on God’s actual nature, S/He might or might not be one such thing.
That seems like a troublesome approach, if only because it’s eventually extremely likely that you will. Even very long timescales (like, “I got to 700 thousand and caught a supernova to the side of all my heads at once.” “I made it a million and a half years before a black hole ate my server. Honestly I was pretty bored anyway,”) start to look pretty puny measured against literal infinity.
That other thread, got me thinking, which Amarrians do I speak to? Seems to boil down to two categories: those who have left or contemplate leaving the Rite, and those who follow it but accept it makes us enemies.
The kind that goes “but it’s just a difference of opinion we can still be friends” and those who wish to convince me that I should just convert so I could be their friend and/or saved - not so much.
The Amarr Rite gives you the choice about your relationship to God: either you join by choice, or you join by force. Even if in these circumstances we cannot be friends, I seem to get reasonably along with Amarr loyalists who accept that I won’t do the first, and that I will resist the second. Then we both know where we stand, and honest talk can follow.
Passive-aggressive’s not a good look on you, y’know.
That other grew out of a thread about how everyone else is inferior, and needs to adopt Amarr ways, and the question that came up was ‘why won’t you people? why not just curry favor with God like we do?’
Or, more specifically in that latest iteration of the same person asking the same question in different ways:
“Even if there’s a slight chance of redeeming your soul through your actions in life, wouldn’t just the thought of that make it worth fighting for?”
So yeah, really amusing that someone would attempt to answer the question asked, and do so in a way that explains the thought process behind the answer.
In my case it’s been mostly those I’ve dealt with here, initially, and those they’ve introduced me to when I’ve started asking questions. And I fully admit, I probably should broaden that some. But you know, that’s also why as I’ve explained my thinking in that thread, at various steps I’ve asked things like ‘Is that all correct?’ or ‘is any of that wrong?’
You seem to enjoy constructing a logical simplification of people’s beliefs, coax them into accepting that simplification, and then pointing out the fault in the logic. That’s fine; you do you. More often than not people who bite into that kind of hooks are those who have less than stellar understanding of their people’s beliefs to begin with, which makes the discussions rather… off.
First, I’d have to point out that I’m not discussing ‘their people’s beliefs’ with Alcerys, but rather, hers. And I’d at least hope she has a decent understanding of her own beliefs.
Second, though, if these things are such simplifications as to be wrong, then the simplest option for any Amarr who think what I’m saying is wrong would seem to be correcting the simplification. But the only ones who have… are Minmatar.
As Aria Jenneth said: most Amarrians just don’t talk to you. And as I said above, those who do bite into these discussions, tend not to be the sharpest theologians of the bunch.
I figured I’d point these things out, assuming you’d listen to a sister.