One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Codename_Razorback

Wow, you know so much about me. I bought my ships with ISK that I earned in-game. That was way before you could buy PLEX with cash and sell it on the market. Also, back in '03 we had to figure out how to do things. There was no rookie guide to help us and everything was manual. Fitting multiple ships at once wasn’t even dreamed about. You literally could only warp to gates at 15km (without BM’s).

My point is, I’ve learned a lot about the game. What I buy I own within the game. I just don’t feel the need to take what other people have earned and call it “elite PvP” in HS.

Gankers are a joke, a sad joke.

Cool story bro

You’re so cool

Where does the Vegas strip play into this?

[Codename_Razorback]

@Malak_Starfire

invite some friends to make the run safer

You’re obviously trolling. HS hauling is “on topic”. What you’re proposing only works in LS and Null.

@Destiny_Corrupted

But since humans (and especially carebears) are stupid and greedy

Were you born an asshole or did you work at it your whole life?

And, haven’t you cried every time that someone compares Eve to RL?

You’re just another troll.
@Lucas_Kell Please don’t waste your time arguing/answering @Gix_Firebrand. He doesn’t play the game, he only criticizes people and has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Also, you can block him

@Scipio_Artelius

Hauling is already inherently safe in highsec

Maybe because you’re blue to the gankers? Just a thought.

@Destiny_Corrupted

Instead, we only have the sporadic danger from player ganking

You’re comparing apples to oranges. High-Security​:headstone: Space was designed to be safe. Ganking isn’t and wasn’t supposed to happen. Some GM’s thought it was content and let it continue but it’s run its course. RIP

@Lucas_Kell

mechanics designed specifically to take up time

CCP should offer jump bridges in HS like they do in Null. Just charge a fuel fee and see how that goes.

@Scipio_Artelius

Just pick a safe system and you can mine away pretty much unimpeded forever.

Good advice, they should put “read the forums” in the new player experience. Instead, they tell new players that EVERYONE will either kill them or scam them…so, “trust no one” makes it an even steeper learning curve.

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[Gix_Firebrand]

@Codename_Razorback

You’re just another troll.
@Lucas_Kell Please don’t waste your time arguing/answering @Gix_Firebrand. He doesn’t play the game, he only criticizes people and has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Also, you can block him

I literally play all the time

Also, where does the Vegas strip play into this?

@Codename_Razorback

Good advice, they should put “read the forums” in the new player experience. Instead, they tell new players that EVERYONE will either kill them or scam them…so, “trust no one” makes it an even steeper learning curve.

Sage advice. Nubs aren’t helpless sheep. They can read and got Google.

They’ll be fine

[Arya_Yeshe]

@Codename_Razorback

Space was designed to be safe.

No.

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/System_security

High security

High Security systems are those with a security level of 0.5 to 1.0. CONCORD will react to hostile actions between pilots, with the response time ranging from almost instant in 1.0 space to up to 19 seconds in 0.5 space. Players also commonly use the terms High, High-sec, Highsec, Hi-sec, and Hisec.

In these systems, stargates may be patrolled by NPC CONCORD, customs, and/or faction navy ships, and stargates and stations will have sentry guns. Aggression (i.e. committing a Criminal-level offense) will provoke a response from CONCORD and any nearby sentry guns. Aggression resulting in the destruction of another player’s ship and/or pod will result in a loss of security status.

That’s all, nothing was designed to be safe, it is a reaction for a crime, that’s all.

Because your limited capacity of understanding you keep posting about stuff you don’t know about.

[Altara_Zemara]

This thread makes me wonder if its highsec that is unbalanced…or just some of the people living in it.

[Codename_Razorback]

@Arya_Yeshe

you keep posting about stuff you don’t know about.

Uh, I was there. It was designed to be safe. That wiki page isn’t from 2003 mate.

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The consequences of ganking don’t fit the crime. 15 minutes? REALLY?

Imagine robbing a bank and the judge sentencing you to 15 minutes in jail.

Society would fall apart. There MUST BE law and order!!!

Remember, Eve Online is a community and therefore falls under the rules that govern a society.

Thus, the decline…

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

It’s generally safe to just ignore Gix. He doesn’t really have anything to say that’s actually on topic. He’s too busy giggling like well adjusted adults normally do… Oh wait…

Oof. You mean you never giggle bro? At anything at all?

I mean I see a ton of adults giggling every day.

Man. That actually makes me feel super sad for you. In all honesty.

Imagine not being able to feel simple joy like that and trying to take some misguided pride in the fact that your life is so bleak, that you can’t even laugh unguardedly.

Man. I pity you bro. Truly. I hope one day you can actually find something that makes you happy. We get that it ain’t EVE no more.

@Altara_Zemara

This thread makes me wonder if its highsec that is unbalanced…or just some of the people living in it.

Well in terms of Razorback, it really comes down to what’s happening on the Vegas strip

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Codename_Razorback

The consequences of ganking don’t fit the crime. 15 minutes? REALLY?

Imagine robbing a bank and the judge sentencing you to 15 minutes in jail.

Society would fall apart. There MUST BE law and order!!!

Remember, Eve Online is a community and therefore falls under the rules that govern a society.

Thus, the decline…

Imagine thinking robbing a bank IRL has anything to do with a space vidya game

[Codename_Razorback]

@Lucas_Kell

when CCP make changes to ganking

They are incoming. Finally!

[Malak_Starfire]

Imagine being so “adult” that you can’t giggle. A grown adult, can’t let loose and giggle. I would hate to live in that environment, too many rules. Where I’m from, an adult can giggle and no one will think anything of it other than “oh hey, that person is happy”.

Until CCP decides that ganking is no longer acceptable, players are allowed to think it’s acceptable video game behavior. CCP have told us where it’s not acceptable and most of us agree that is a good decision. At that time they could have said ganking is frowned upon in other places as well, but they didn’t. In fact they quote how much we destroy and praise it’s affects on the economy.

[Omnis_Decline]

@Codename_Razorback

Thus, the decline…

What did I do this time?

[Omnis_Decline]

I have seen you (and so far, only you) saying this. I haven’t seen anyone else saying anything to the contrary without providing evidence. Do you have a source to confirm this has been said by CCP? Because I haven’t seen it, so it would be nice to have a reference to check that they really did say that.

[Codename_Razorback]

@Malak_Starfire

ganking is no longer acceptable

They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD as a “known exploit”.

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Yet, gankers get away with it every day. I think CCP is just afraid to upset that small vocal group of people.

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#STOPEXPLOITINGCONCORD

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

reducing grefing

Corected it for you.

[Malak_Starfire]

Which is why it is a bannable offense to gank in a newbie system, which I’ve mentioned or alluded to several times.

[Malak_Starfire]

Did I mention anything with delaying CONCORD? I haven’t.

[Arya_Yeshe]

@Codename_Razorback

They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD as a “known exploit ”.

No…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

The CONCORD thing is something else, in their post they dont reveal the thing… there is a thing beyond pulling CONCORD… i will not mention the thing so no one will do the thing, because you can be banned if you do the thing.

Pulling CONCORD is normal, it is desgined like that, it is fine.

No changes happened, there is a thing beyond pulling CONCORD that no one should know about it.
The way people are pulling CONCORD nowadays and since always is the correct way.

Nothing changed.

[Xucca]

Have you guys figured that EVE is not a very soloable game?
I see too many loners wanting to have la cake and eat it.
So, see if such things as ganking etc encourage making friends.

If you do not see this, maybe an great idea to intro would be scout drones.

But it’s a noggona. So get off forumland and make friends in there. I assure you it works.

[Arya_Yeshe]

@Malak_Starfire

Which is why it is a bannable offense to gank in a newbie system, which I’ve mentioned or alluded to several times.

It is not, what is bannable is interfering with the newbros running their tutorial missions from the agents there.

If anybody else go do XYZ in a noob system it is game, green light for the gank there… just don’t touch a newbro preventing it from running the tutorials.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

No, I’m an adult. If something is funny I’ll laugh.

Like when CCP make changes to ganking I’ll laugh. Mainly I’ll laugh because gankers will have done exactly what wardeccers did. They’d have spent the entire time claiming there’s nothing wrong with ganking rather than engaging in any meaningful and constructive discussion about how to make reasonable changes, so CCP will make changes that will likely go much further than gankers would like.

Man. That is a sad life for you

Imagine being unable to giggle. Being so guarded you cannot even experience a moment of unguarded joy.

@Codename_Razorback

They are incoming. Finally!

LOL, keep on praying to daddy CCP

@Lucas_Kell

CCP have also said that ganking affects new player churn and that they intend to make changes with the aim of reducing ganking.

They didn’t actually

@Omnis_Decline

I have seen you (and so far, only you) saying this. I haven’t seen anyone else saying anything to the contrary without providing evidence. Do you have a source to confirm this has been said by CCP? Because I haven’t seen it, so it would be nice to have a reference to check that they really did say that.

He doesn’t. He is misrepresenting what CCP said on purpose

@Codename_Razorback

They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD

This has already been explained to you, several times ROFL.

@Codename_Razorback

Yet, gankers get away with it every day. I think CCP is just afraid to upset that small vocal group of people.

So now CCP, the company who owns the game, are terrified of a small group, in your words, and that’s what’s stopping them from changing their own game?

@Lucas_Kell

But newbies don’t stay in newbie systems, and gankers hang out in pipe systems near to rookie systems to catch them on their way through.

Which you’ve never dropped any proof

Also once they leave the newb systems, they are fair game.