Palatine Vault

[ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode]

It’s spam. And spam isn’t necessary.

[Yodik]

can you link me forum rules where i can read about tag ccp are spam. thank you.

[ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode]

Me, right now, saying it’s spamming. Refrain from it in the future please.

[Yodik]

as you say, rules generator.

[Ms_Steak]

@Yodik

can you link me forum rules where i can read about tag ccp are spam.

its common courtesy on any forum. Unless there is an emergency one should avoid multitag devs/mods. You doing so without justified reason just makes you “attention seeker”.

@Yodik

as you say, rules generator.

discussion of moderation is prohibited by forum rules.
also:
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/

You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in the EVE Online game world or using the EVE Online web site.

[Yodik]

Ok. i will not doing it again. happy now? or few more persons come here for explain me this.

[Bronson_Hughes]

So…you want a special wallet that:

1. Is one-way.
2. Can be filled with physical inventory items with actual material/ISK cost.
3. (Lots of other stuff about structures and ownership and voting and intrigue.)

Regardless of your mission or the context of your post, this idea is horrible based purely on the first two items. #1 would likely get abused for scams, but more importantly is #2 because it would effectively allow you to transport a large amount of valuable material across any distance (including through wormholes) absolutely risk-free.

Hard no on those to points alone.

And an even harder no on the idea of CCP adding functionality specifically to help in one player’s Quixotic quest.

And finally…the cynic in me has to point out that even if CCP somehow did implement this, chances are that one of the existing nullsec blocs would just use it to built a Palatine Keepstar before you anyways, so all of this would have been largely for nothing.

[Yodik]

when i ask people to tell me their opinions about changing something in palatine, they was silent, now they denied mostly important changing, without create their own version. excellent.

@Bronson_Hughes

Regardless of your mission or the context of your post, this idea is horrible based purely on the first two items. #1 would likely get abused for scams, but more importantly is #2 because it would effectively allow you to transport a large amount of valuable material across any distance (including through wormholes) absolutely risk-free.

ok lets ban wormhole manufacturing for this and choose only jita for example.

@Bronson_Hughes

And an even harder no on the idea of CCP adding functionality specifically to help in one player’s Quixotic quest.

And finally…the cynic in me has to point out that even if CCP somehow did implement this, chances are that one of the existing nullsec blocs would just use it to built a Palatine Keepstar before you anyways, so all of this would have been largely for nothing.

who talk about me? i dont care who will be owner, couse if this not happen, i will build it very long time. you dont get it, couse you just posting your opinion on forum, you not involved in this adventure. there is no way you will closer to all this, except this changing, which ofc you or ccp can modify.

if null block own it, then why not and who cares, if all eve come to kill it.

[Bronson_Hughes]

@Yodik

when i ask people to tell me their opinions about changing something…

Yes because…

@Yodik

…you just posting your opinion on forum, you not involved in this adventure.

…that’s how public discussion forums work.

Also…

@Yodik

who talk about me?

From your first post:

@Yodik

Hope you know that only one man trying build Palatine right now. But his live is short and EVE need that revolution.

You mentioned yourself in your post. I’m not trying to make this personal, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was just trying to point out that if your goal is to be the first person to build a Palatine Keepstar, this change would almost certainly not help you achieve that goal. And even if your goal is only to build it, you certainly wouldn’t be able to keep it for long since anyone who donated would know where it is being built and it would be a massive target for everyone wanting to get on the first killmail of a Palatine Keepstar.

[Yodik]

@Bronson_Hughes

…that’s how public discussion forums work.

well actualy if opinions are good, then throught idea people join to adventure.

@Bronson_Hughes

From your first post:

feel the difference between iam owner or those, who people elect.

@Bronson_Hughes

You mentioned yourself in your post. I’m not trying to make this personal, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was just trying to point out that if your goal is to be the first person to build a Palatine Keepstar, this change would almost certainly not help you achieve that goal. And even if your goal is only to build it, you certainly wouldn’t be able to keep it for long since anyone who donated would know where it is being built and it would be a massive target for everyone wanting to get on the first killmail of a Palatine Keepstar.

try read my project archive, i never say that i want build it first, i want it exist.

[Brun_Warbear]

@Yodik

2. It can fill by components from any players (Alpha/Omega), any place of New Eden and Anoikis in one-way mode with notification about this, like notification when you drop item to corporation hangar.

Hard no. There should never be any way to teleport goods like this. Not only does it magically remove hauling risk for you, but it craps on an entire eve career path. There should never be a risk free way to move valuable items.

Use delivery contracts like everyone else and contribute to the game.

@Yodik

4. When components will be enough for building Palatine in perfect manufacturing conditions (Sotiyo in null/WH with T2 rig), developer initiate election, for example, using in game panel with acces to investers only and they deliver their votes to any candidate which they choose in search panel. One component equal one vote.

Again hard no. A keepstar is not a community project for everyone to just freely contribute to. Building it is a challenge that requires significant organisation, logistics and effort.

Just wanting one to exist is no reason to make it easy to achieve. If it was worth it to an alliance there are several that could have achieved this by now. I’m sure someone will do it eventually.

@Yodik

5. Chosen one take acces to use collected components in manufacturing or take acces to withdraw components from vault in any manufacturing place. Its remove problem of transportation components to facility, but i think if some one want build Palatine, he/she smart and decide to build components in correct place, not in Thera.

Because this isn’t crazy abusable. Let’s just call this “Keepstar Citizen”

Also the problem of transportation should never be removed as per my above comment.

@Yodik

How about that ISK SINK, CCP?

I don’t think you know what an ISK sink is. You have not described one in your post.

[Yodik]

@Brun_Warbear

Hard no. There should never be any way to teleport goods like this. Not only does it magically remove hauling risk for you, but it craps on an entire eve career path. There should never be a risk free way to move valuable items.
Use delivery contracts like everyone else and contribute to the game.

well maybe you right, its just iam wormholer with 100+ freighters and not feel big deal about this. so how about palatine vault in jita only?

@Brun_Warbear

Again hard no. A keepstar is not a community project for everyone to just freely contribute to. Building it is a challenge that requires significant organisation, logistics and effort.

Just wanting one to exist is no reason to make it easy to achieve. If it was worth it to an alliance there are several that could have achieved this by now. I’m sure someone will do it eventually.

i think you dont understand what you talking about, couse none of any coalitions cant build it, they cant freeze more than 50+ trillion stuff and continue normaly exist.
btw, russian speaking ccp alpha say, so palatine its a reson to unite almost all eve, but he still doubt abiut manufacturing possibilities when say it.
and ofc its funny, hear about challenge and achievment from player who not even try this.

@Brun_Warbear

Also the problem of transportation should never be removed as per my above comment.

yeah, say it to asset safety.

@Brun_Warbear

I don’t think you know what an ISK sink is. You have not described one in your post.

players remove 50+trillions from the game by building and fill components to palatine hangar. then palatine is die. easy isk sink.

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Yodik

so how about palatine vault in jita only?

1. Create character
2. name it Palatine Vault
3. Park in Jita
4. Let everyone know they can trade items to it for your Palatine project.

Easy.

/thread

[Yodik]

iam sry and its not my fault, that you live in world of scammers and victims.

[Derath_Ellecon]

Sadly it is your fault that you cannot form a reply that makes any sense.

[Yodik]

sure.

[Brun_Warbear]

@Yodik

well maybe you right, its just iam wormholer with 100+ freighters and not feel big deal about this. so how about palatine vault in jita only?

How about no player structures in Jita. Thanks.

You can have a million freighters your idea is still stupid.

@Yodik

i think you dont understand what you talking about, couse none of any coalitions cant build it, they cant freeze more than 50+ trillion stuff and continue normaly exist.
btw, russian speaking ccp alpha say, so palatine its a reson to unite almost all eve, but he still doubt abiut manufacturing possibilities when say it.
and ofc its funny, hear about challenge and achievment from player who not even try this.

There are individual players with more wealth than that.

Also your attempt to refute me on achievements because I haven’t built a keepstar is facile. Grow up.

@Yodik

yeah, say it to asset safety.

Asset safety was always a stupid idea but you should also look at how that works and what it costs before making a lazy and incorrect comparison.

@Yodik

players remove 50+trillions from the game by building and fill components to palatine hangar. then palatine is die. easy isk sink.

No they don’t. Think about it a little.

[Yodik]

@Brun_Warbear

How about no player structures in Jita. Thanks.

collecting in jita, not anchoring. you to hurry.

@Brun_Warbear

You can have a million freighters your idea is still stupid.

ofc your opinion is not stupid, you may continue believe in that.

@Brun_Warbear

There are individual players with more wealth than that.

cool story. now clean your ears from spaghetti.

@Brun_Warbear

facile

its a fact which you cant deny. its like pizzaboy will teach boeing to fly.

@Brun_Warbear

Asset safety was always a stupid idea but you should also look at how that works and what it costs before making a lazy and incorrect comparison.

you offer add tax for fill palatine vault if you far from jita? thats good idea, thank you.

@Yodik

2. For example, its located in Jita. It can fill by components from any players (Alpha/Omega), any place of New Eden and Anoikis in one-way mode with notification about this, like notification when you drop item to corporation hangar. But depend on how far away from Jita, it require tax payment, same as asset safety.

@Brun_Warbear

No they don’t. Think about it a little.

ofc you can know that.

[Arisha_Moon]

biggest scam, supported by ccp it self?

[Yodik]

at least, not by xXLEGIONofDICHIXx