Now THIS is fun to watch! Hey, at least the balloon is entertaining some. 
We are talking about bumping not ganking. Bumping is 1 character for the bumper and requires 4 characters for the freighter with unreasonable levels of use for those characters, it just does not make sense at all.
and the point is that the module whose sole purpose is prevents a target from leaving grid triggers concord reactions, while a mechanism which does the same thing does not. Which means, bumping does not work as designed.
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Activating an offensive module against another player in hisec is a binary state (either the module is on, or the module is off, there is no in-between), is a deliberate action (you canât accidentally shoot someone just by flying too closely to them) and that action is preventable by way of the safety settings in the UI. There is no ambiguity regarding whether you activate an offensive module against someone in hisec.
Bumping is neither binary, nor necessarily deliberate (there is no obvious dividing line between a deliberate bump and a casual one), nor is it preventable by means of the safety setting in the UI. The fact that we even have to have a discussion about where to draw the line between casual bumping and whether itâs being used deliberately to prevent warp makes this behavior distinct from activating an offensive module.
Pointing someone in hisec and bumping someone in hisec can both have the same impact (preventing them from warping), but the underlying mechanics are completely different. Comparing the two is apples to oranges.
If you want to change how bumping works, stick to bumping mechanics and stop comparing it to activating offensive modules because that comparison is inherently and deeply flawed.
Read again, I am not the one saying that âbumping is working as designedâ.
So NO the bump mechanism is not working as eve was designed. So I will keep saying it when someone affirms it is. And your little useless speach about what I am allowed to compare and how this is an implementation issue, I could not give them less credit as itâs completely irrelevant.
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Just because one dev stupidly thought there was no counter to ECM doesnât make it a magic word.
There actually has to be no counter and in the case of bumping capitals the counter is escorts.
So before you were saying that itâs balanced in 1v1 and now you say it needs to be several people to help the bumped âŚ
It canât be both. Please make up your mind.
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Iâm not saying that bumping is working as designed either. In fact, Iâd wager good money that devs didnât have this behavior in mind at all when they designed/implemented bumping. Itâs emergent gameplay.
But emergent gameplay isnât inherently broken and doesnât automatically need to be changed.
Iâm simply suggesting that if you are proposing a change in how bumping works, you base it on the mechanics of bumping and not comparing it to offensive modules because such a comparison is flawed.
In this case, it is. It give access to something that is forbidden by design.
again, I donât give a â â â â .
Read again what I wrote, all I compare is the EFFECT. If we talk design, then the effect is important, not the implementation.
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How can it be forbidden by design when:
- Itâs possible, so therefore not designed to be forbidden?
- Thereâs a specific ruling from CCP that it isnât an exploit?
Itâs been part of the game since alpha. Every single day of EVEâs 16 years since launch as well.
It canât be forbidden by design. It wouldnât be possible to do if that was the case, or it would be ruled an exploit and have been patched away long ago.
Try to use a point on someone in HS without a right to engage him and youâll have your answer.
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Thatâs got nothing to do with what you wrote.
You are claiming bumping is forbidden by design. It isnât.
Thatâs exactly what I wrote.
No, it should not be possible. A design is a theoretical concept, an implementation is the real one.
Letâs say that tomorrow CCP creates a new modules that has the side effect of destroying assets of other people in a station. That would go against the design of Eve. even though it would be an implementation.
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No it isnât.
You said it gives access to something that is forbidden by design, but both bumping and points are allowed by design. Both of them.
Neither of them is âforbidden by designâ and it is certainly allowed in the game, actually part of the design, to be able to point someone and itâs certainly allowed to bump someone.
And I already answered that above. Please learn to read itâs a waste of time.
Do as I said and use a point (âŚ) Youâll have your answer. Stop arguing and do it.
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No need for your usual insults when the point is actually addressed.
âForbidden by designâ is what you wrote. That is clearly false. The whole point of this thread is that the reality is the opposite of that.
Itâs perfectly allowed by design. People may have different views on whether that should be the case, but the current design is pretty clear.
Then do it instead of asking useless questions I already gave you the answer.
Use a point. Realize what is the sole use of the point. Now realize what is the goal of people bumping someone. add 1 plus 1 together âŚ
OK more more step because I think you really NEED that one⌠look at what bumping allows you to do, that pointing someone does not . And realize the design of CONCORD is to retaliate on player doingâŚ
At this level if you donât realize there is something that CONCORD expressely prevents but that is given possibility with bumping, I canât do anything for you. I know itâs hard but really you are hopeless.
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This is not relevant to what youâve written.
Using a point is a different thing entirely to a claim that bumping "âŚgive[s] access to something that is forbidden by designâŚ"
That is false. It is not forbidden by design, whether or not some other mechanic exists in the game also.
Bumping is not only part of the game and has been since day 1 in the games history, CCP have specifically ruled it isnât an exploit.
Can you point to a single location where CCP have indicated that the current mechanic is âforbidden by designâ
STFU and do it. It will become relevant when you make some effort about it. Otherwise you are just saying âI donât get itâ without even trying.
No blinder that one who does not want to see.
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So no then? You canât point to a single location where CCP have said the current mechanic is forbidden by design?